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Old 07-05-2012, 11:36 PM   #31
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I agree with others, this seems extremely low for a commissioned work. We offer more than that when we commission technical books.
What Suzanna said and my emphasis on what you wrote. Different genre (nonfiction vs. fiction).
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Old 07-06-2012, 03:23 AM   #32
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Yes, the short lead time is so that they can have it in print in time for Christmas shopping and they need to cash in on the 50 Shades thing. And that's why I'm sure they are not making multpile offers, there are simply not that many erotica writers about who are as good (and fast) as we are. There was a lot of mention in the media about us writing a 30k novella in ten days.

According to a writer friend, the advance is similar to what she gets for ghost writing for them.
So do you have a title for this book?
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Old 07-06-2012, 04:47 PM   #33
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There was a joke title of 40 Shades of Green, but that's gone. They want us to produce half a dozen titles so they can pick the they like best.

The cover will be one of those tasteful efforts with black or dark grey and a single image in the middle.

And it sounds like they are getting cold feet on the kink. They want something just like 50 but without any scary stuff. And a less annoying heroine. And more emotional trauma for the hero. And lots and lots of foreplay. And no taking the piss. And no graphic words in the sex scenes. But apart from that, we have a free hand.
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There was a joke title of 40 Shades of Green, but that's gone. They want us to produce half a dozen titles so they can pick the they like best.

The cover will be one of those tasteful efforts with black or dark grey and a single image in the middle.

And it sounds like they are getting cold feet on the kink. They want something just like 50 but without any scary stuff. And a less annoying heroine. And more emotional trauma for the hero. And lots and lots of foreplay. And no taking the piss. And no graphic words in the sex scenes. But apart from that, we have a free hand.
I take it from what you did say that you aren't going to put in any of the "French potty mouth" stuff.

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Old 07-10-2012, 09:13 AM   #35
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What is the French potty mouth stuff?
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Old 07-11-2012, 09:42 PM   #36
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What is the French potty mouth stuff?
I won't elaborate further in public or in polite company. I think my mom would say "don't talk like that or you will get a mouth wash of octagon/lye soap." I had a taste of that at my elementary school once though I still protest my innocence. (Of course that was for only a few basic "cuss" words.)
There, I betray my age. Nowadays they jail teachers, principals or parents for doing such to children. In my day, you would have been punished at school, and then gotten a whipping at home.
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You mean it's not written yet?
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Old 07-12-2012, 09:31 AM   #38
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You mean it's not written yet?
No, I'm writing it as we speak. They asked us to write this book for them. 90k words by August 13. 15,700 words so far.
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No, I'm writing it as we speak. They asked us to write this book for them. 90k words by August 13. 15,700 words so far.
Good for you....and of course, I'm just rattling the monkey cage bars.
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Old 07-12-2012, 03:30 PM   #40
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I can't say for all genres but in science fiction and fantasy a new author has traditionally received $5,000 - $10,000. This has been confirmed over and over again by a number of places but the one I'll point you to is Tobias Bucknell's survey (which I believe occurred in 2005).

I'm actually doing a survey right now and while I'm still collecting data it confirms that.
I will say that my debut contract was MUCH more than this (six-figures for 3 books) but a lot of that was because of my prior self-publishing success (I suspect) and a realization on the publishers part that if their advance was significantly lower than my self-publishing income I would turn it down immediately).

I've not heard of the "no advance" aspect that was listed earlier in this article, but I do have some very relevant data in that I'm negotiating my second contract right now. I was originally offered the same (on a per book basis) and the publisher cited "which is really good considering advances are about 50% these days). I didn't take it and we are currently in negotiations, and they have raised the advance considerably over the initial.

I'm not sure how much a single data point is worth, but it's at least better than nothing.
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No, I'm writing it as we speak. They asked us to write this book for them. 90k words by August 13. 15,700 words so far.
congrats, good luck!
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This is a Big Six publisher who have approached me and asked me to write an erotic novel that will blow 50 Shades away. They want it before the end of August, so it can be on the shelves before Christmas and are offering an advance of $5000.
In the work-for-hire world this would be "in-line" lower than some, higher than others. But it also sends a single about how much promotion they really plan on putting behind it - if they want to ride the 50-shades they would have a big budget, and I would suspect a higher advance.

Advances are calculated based on expected earnings, so the fact they are offering such a low one doesn't tell me they are going to put a lot of marketing behind it.

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