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Old 05-02-2008, 12:38 AM   #106
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Amazon's top genres for Sense and Sensibility

#3 in Books > Literature & Fiction > Women's Fiction > Sisters
#7 in Books > Literature & Fiction > Foreign Language Fiction > French
#13 in Books > Literature & Fiction > British > Classics > Austen, Jane

Not sure if any of these would be useful for us to add. Classics is like Fiction -- a catch-all genre that could easily be "abused" to categorize a large number of e-books.
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Old 05-02-2008, 12:47 AM   #107
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that's what i was expecting, but when i clicked "edit" and "go advanced" to edit the title, i didn't see a list for categories. is it not implemented yet ? i only have a few uploads, so i can do it by hand.
Zelda, can you try this. Click on Edit -> Go Advanced. Look at the screenshot I attached. Can you see the thread prefix drop down box before the title? If you cannot, then I must check if user permission are set correctly.
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Old 05-02-2008, 07:09 AM   #108
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Do you have an example?
Hmm... Something like "A Dance to the Music of Time". I don't think it's really about relations between people, there's not much adventure in it...

Another one could be The Hive.

I guess an "Other" genre could be useful, although it would probably be abused.
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Hi Alex,
wow, you get up really early.

i checked again to be sure it had not changed over night, but i confirm i don't have that dropdown menu when i click edit > go advanced. i can edit the title, but there is not menu for categories.

so i guess it's the user permission.

thanks for looking into it ; i will check back later in the day.
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i confirm i don't have that dropdown menu when i click edit > go advanced. i can edit the title, but there is not menu for categories.

so i guess it's the user permission.

thanks for looking into it ; i will check back later in the day.
Same here!

I can't edit the categories/genre (nor see them), but I can set them when I create the new thread for the ebook upload.
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I confirm, it's definitely a user permission issue. Seems like it's even hard-coded and cannot be changed without some code changes. I'll look into it!
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Upon some more careful consideration we decided to add a "General" prefix to the list that would serve as a catch-all genre. Of course it should only be used if none of the other prefixes work for a specific upload.
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Upon some more careful consideration we decided to add a "General" prefix to the list that would serve as a catch-all genre. Of course it should only be used if none of the other prefixes work for a specific upload.
I would caution people that if they use this prefix they should add a tag with the correct genre in it. If there is enough tags in one genre it might be time to add it as a prefix. Be creative and shoe horn it in if you can. Having meaningless tags doesn't help much. Even some of the prefixes we have should have tags as well like youth should be tagged with a genre that is specific about the books content.

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Young adult is a bad category. The term Young Adult would either be 18 or 21 and most young adult books are written for those a bit younger.
That is not true. From wikipedia for example:
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* A person in the early years of adulthood.
* Young adult (psychology), persons aged 19 to 40
* Young adult fiction, works targeted to ages 12 to 18
* Youth, aged around 15 to 25.
So for books it is 12-18.
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That is not true. From wikipedia for example:


So for books it is 12-18.
The word has already been changed to youth. No reason to continue this about the earlier proposed words.

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I would caution people that if they use this prefix they should add a tag with the correct genre in it. If there is enough tags in one genre it might be time to add it as a prefix. Be creative and shoe horn it in if you can. Having meaningless tags doesn't help much. Even some of the prefixes we have should have tags as well like youth should be tagged with a genre that is specific about the books content.

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But what is the "correct genre" for something like, say, Dickens' "Great Expectations"? It's not a romance; it's not an action story; it's not SF; it's not a historical novel - it really is just "general fiction".
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But what is the "correct genre" for something like, say, Dickens' "Great Expectations"? It's not a romance; it's not an action story; it's not SF; it's not a historical novel - it really is just "general fiction".
I would call it biographical fiction. This is to aid people in what to expect as all genre is designed to do.
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Remember, the genre specification is there to guide, and not to make a final claim about the content.

We can always revise the genres if needed.
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Yesterday I tried to post an eBook and found that the genre prefixes do need work (IMHO). So I think we should sort them out so they make more sence overall and have more genres for books we have but don't have proper genres for.

I went to Fictionwise and took their list of genres and came up with the following based on their overall list.

Fiction
  • Children
  • Fantasy
  • Historical Fiction
  • Horror
  • Humor
  • Mystery/Crime
  • Romance
  • Science Fiction
  • Suspense/Thriller
  • Young Adult
Nonfiction
  • Business
  • Children
  • Food/Recipes
  • History
  • Biography/Autobiography
  • Personal Finance
  • Politics/Government
  • Reference
  • Self Improvement
  • Spiritual/Religion
  • Sports/Entertainm't
  • Technology/Science
  • Travel
Misc
  • Other Fiction
  • Other Non-Fiction
  • Poetry

We do have eBooks that fit most of these categories. What we have now does not define in enough categories and some are just plain not right such as SF&F should be separated into Science Fiction and Fantasy as two separate categories.

Here is the list as we have it now...
  • Action
  • Graphic
  • Mystery
  • Poetry
  • Romance
  • SF&F
  • Short Fiction
  • Youth
  • Biography
  • History
  • Philosophy
  • Reference
  • Spiritual
  • Other

Now to work the current list into the newly proposed list....
  • Action - goes away
  • Graphic - I don't think we'll ever have a need for this one
  • Mystery - becomes Mystery/Crime
  • Poetry - stays
  • Romance - stays
  • SF&F - becomes separated out as Science Fiction and Fantasy
  • Short Fiction - goes away
  • Youth - becomes Young Adult and we add Children
  • Biography - becomes Biography/Autobiography
  • History - stays
  • Philosophy - stays
  • Reference - stays
  • Spiritual - becomes Spiritual/Religion
  • Other - becomes Other Fiction & Other non-Fiction

Now I know we will have to go back and sort out the existing prefixes. So the sooner this is sorted, the less work there will be to fix what needs fixing.

Yes, I know I am restarting this thread, but we need to get this sorted one and for all so that all that needs possibly be done is add genres and not change what's already there. So pleaswe chime in and let's get this sorted.
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The word has already been changed to youth. No reason to continue this about the earlier proposed words.
What are you saying here. Is it not allowed to correct incorrect information in a thread if the incorrect information is no longer central to the thread?
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