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Old 05-11-2012, 07:45 PM   #46
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Now, is it just me, or are these 2 statements mutually exclusive.
The two statements are replies to 2 different posts, and the first one was just a clarification. In the "100 people give their newspapers to 100 other people, or if 1 person gives 100 copies away", the clarification was on the second part, but my second statement in the post goes with "100 people give their newspapers".
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The two statements are replies to 2 different posts, and the first one was just a clarification. In the "100 people give their newspapers to 100 other people, or if 1 person gives 100 copies away", the clarification was on the second part, but my second statement in the post goes with "100 people give their newspapers".
I know you were answering two different posts but you are still trying to defend two different arguments with two different (conflicting) reasons.

My point being that if people on your street could just buy 1 newspaper between them and all have access to it at once then they probably would.

The outcome of this is that if it was legal to share books then we would very quickly get a site where 1 person buys a book and shares it with everyone else. So all books would only get bought once at the logical extreme of this.
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Old 05-14-2012, 02:10 PM   #51
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I know you were answering two different posts but you are still trying to defend two different arguments with two different (conflicting) reasons.
Actually I wasn't. Read what I wrote in post #35 again.

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My point being that if people on your street could just buy 1 newspaper between them and all have access to it at once then they probably would.
They don't seem concerned with having access to the newspapers at once.

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The outcome of this is that if it was legal to share books then we would very quickly get a site where 1 person buys a book and shares it with everyone else. So all books would only get bought once at the logical extreme of this.
Let me tell you about how a library works...
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Let me tell you about how a library works...
1. Each library BUYS a copy of the book.
2. In most western countries, the library PAYS the author every time a book is borrowed.

Neither of these is true with copyright-infringing illegal copying.
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Old 05-16-2012, 05:58 AM   #53
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1. Each library BUYS a copy of the book.
If you look at what I was replying to, MikeB1972 said "1 person buys a book" (emphasis mine).

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2. In most western countries, the library PAYS the author every time a book is borrowed.
How many countries is "most"?

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Neither of these is true with copyright-infringing illegal copying.
If instead of sharing the book with friends, the person donates it to a library does the situation change more than the fact that it would be available to a larger number of people?
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If you look at what I was replying to, MikeB1972 said "1 person buys a book" (emphasis mine).
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Libraries only allow 1 book to be lent at a time, I was saying only 1 book need be sold ever if we assume file sharing is legal.
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Libraries only allow 1 book to be lent at a time, I was saying only 1 book need be sold ever if we assume file sharing is legal.
People would still buy books. Webcomics are free but people still buy them in print.
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People buy them now, but what happens when most of your sales are in eFormat for books/comics/magazines?
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My belief is that there is a "happy medium" somewhere in the middle that allows consumers to purchase products at a fair price and to own and use them in the way they see fit. The idea of the corporations controlling what I can and cannot do with a product I purchase is way past time for it to be history, like old fish, it's beginning to stink.
I suppose this is one reason why I will always prefer to own or even borrow the printed stuff much of the time. Nobody is tracking where the book is headed after it hits my knapsack. My money, my stuff. Interesting concept.

A dead tree book is technically a "file". When I was about 14-15 my friend and I used to browse used book stores, and actually go halvers on books that were sold for a buck or two (that was ~30 years ago). We'd actuallly co-own the books and just pass it on to each other when we were done.

99% of my e-reading is the free news/web "magazines" I make up from recipes via calibre and/or the public domain materials, occasionally smashwords (although I download a greater percentage of their free offerings than I actually wind up reading).

I actually am one of those people who really DOES like receiving a coffee-stained, well loved, used book for a gift. A book is a book, and the story within isn't changing just because there are dog-ears on pages and stuff. It actually has more meaning. The first book my husband ever bought me is a copy of Pride and Prejudice that cost $3 from a used book store, in 1998. It was well worn even before it hit my hands.
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Libraries only allow 1 book to be lent at a time, I was saying only 1 book need be sold ever if we assume file sharing is legal.
Ebook piracy existed long before Amazon started selling ebooks, but Amazon still announces record ebook sales every year. Why aren't people just downloading the pirate ones for free instead? People are also paying money for public domain books like Sherlock Holmes (best selling ebook title on Amazon UK), so it can't just be because of legality.
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