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Old 04-11-2012, 03:45 PM   #46
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The iPhone is the exception rather than the norm.
Not to mention the fact that there was no iPhone 2. It went from iPhone to iPhone 3G. The numeric 3 didn't reference the third model, but rather the 3G data support.

iPhone = iPhone 1
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So while there's a bit of incremental model naming going on there, it's really only the iPhone 4 that truly follows that naming convention.

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I disagree; I think the iPad's design is a great study in minimalism. The only thing I'd add is an outbound USB port, but that's relatively minor. I don't see how a different design would add any new functionality to it.
Oh wow. There is so much room for improvement that I could write an entire book on the missing features...
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For cellphones, while there are undoubtedly folks who buy the latest model (well, the iPhone mostly) when it comes out, I reckon folks who just use their phones for the basics (talk and text), the only time they switch phones is when the battery is no longer holding a charge.
A lot of people on contracts upgrade as soon as they're eligible; otherwise you're paying six months or more of extra subsidies on the device you have.
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A lot of people on contracts upgrade as soon as they're eligible; otherwise you're paying six months or more of extra subsidies on the device you have.
Yeah, I do the same myself. However, I know a lot of people (mostly older folk) still using their 5 yr old flip phones. Oh well, given general wear and tear, phones probably start acting up by the 2 year mark.
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I disagree; I think the iPad's design is a great study in minimalism. The only thing I'd add is an outbound USB port, but that's relatively minor. I don't see how a different design would add any new functionality to it.
A card slot certainly would.
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Yeah, I do the same myself. However, I know a lot of people (mostly older folk) still using their 5 yr old flip phones. Oh well, given general wear and tear, phones probably start acting up by the 2 year mark.
Smart phones are overrunning the market, though, and users are seeing a lot of the same upgrade pressures that drove PC sales from about 1990-2008: lacking the RAM and CPU to run new apps well and running out of space for more apps.
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That's no elephant. That's how most computer companies work; keep the existing case designs as long as possible and just change out the innards to make a newer model. Apple did it with the original Mac thru the Mac plus (although the Plus had an extra hole for the SCSI port), the SE and SE/30, the Classic and Classic II, the six-slot Mac II line, the three-slot Mac II line, the three different styles of Tanzania-board PowerMac (tower, desktop, and all-in-one), many of the iMacs and all the Mac Mini line, and all that. In some cases, the only difference in models was the price and the sticker on the front.

I disagree; I think the iPad's design is a great study in minimalism. The only thing I'd add is an outbound USB port, but that's relatively minor. I don't see how a different design would add any new functionality to it.
That is all true. But the whole Apple system, the future growth of the company, depends on people upgrading to the new models all the time. So you have to offer new designs to entice them to do it. If users think "this is good enough for me, I will keep using my old device", then the good days are over.

Unless they have another completely new product line coming up no later than next year.
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Of course it's going to look bad if you single out a single company out of the hundreds that put together and sell Windows-based computers. (as for the smartphone issue, that is only because the telcos *heavily* subsidize the initial cost - much easier for people to pay $40 a month per person for the next 3 years when they don't have that initial $300-500 cost per person)
I simply don't think that tablets and smart phones have to outsell PCs at this moment in order for there to be something to the phrase "post PC".

The pc world is largely stagnant, with falling sales. Smart phones already outsell PC's and are in hyper growth mode. In a couple years tablets will outsell PC's too. Already the iPad sells more than HP (the largest pc maker).

So current sales do a better job of displaying the trend than installed base. Of course the current installed base of computers is much larger.

Nor does post-pc mean "no pc". It's just that the pc is losing it's place as the dominant force for advancement.

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Thanks, that's the part a lot of people are missing when they see "post-PC".
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That is all true. But the whole Apple system, the future growth of the company, depends on people upgrading to the new models all the time. So you have to offer new designs to entice them to do it. If users think "this is good enough for me, I will keep using my old device", then the good days are over.

Unless they have another completely new product line coming up no later than next year.
I think that what a lot of people are missing is that the groundwork is already in place. First step was the iPod in all its various forms. Then came the iPhone. You have a customer base comfortable paying a couple hundred dollars for a device so the next step is a little better, a little more expensive, the iPad.

Also, each device gets the customer further entrenched into the 'walled garden' of the iTunes store and the App store.

Now, if you're willing to spend $500 for a tablet, $1000 or more for a Mac doesn't seem unreasonable. And you get the added benefit of everything working together, syncing together, natively, and out of the box.

Now, I'm not saying this was the original plan all along, from the inception of the iPod, but I think it has evolved into this. Get them a little closer, one step at a time, one price point at a time, until they make the 'big' purchase.
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I think that what a lot of people are missing is that the groundwork is already in place. First step was the iPod in all its various forms. Then came the iPhone. You have a customer base comfortable paying a couple hundred dollars for a device so the next step is a little better, a little more expensive, the iPad.

Also, each device gets the customer further entrenched into the 'walled garden' of the iTunes store and the App store.

Now, if you're willing to spend $500 for a tablet, $1000 or more for a Mac doesn't seem unreasonable. And you get the added benefit of everything working together, syncing together, natively, and out of the box.

Now, I'm not saying this was the original plan all along, from the inception of the iPod, but I think it has evolved into this. Get them a little closer, one step at a time, one price point at a time, until they make the 'big' purchase.
All app stores, all, are technically a walled garden. Whether its apple or google or amazon.
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Actually, PCs are seeing slower sales growth, not falling sales.

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I'd say the opposite. PCs have achieved a level of market saturation which, coupled with "stagnation" in the pressures to upgrade existing machines, is slowing sales. The difference in growth between the PC and mobile market demonstrates the difference in those two factors, market saturation and upgrade pressure, not interest in or use of PCs.

Eventually though, the lull in PC upgrade pressures will probably give way to a spike in new purchases, either in response to a truly new technology like optical RAM or quantum computing, or due to a critical mass of the incremental improvements we've seen in the last 4-5 years. I would say that time is still at least a couple years away; there's nothing revolutionary in the pipeline just yet.
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I think you forget that Apple is not at all interested in offering a tablet that can replace a laptop or desktop.

Apple wants you to buy a tablet, a laptop, a desktop AND a phone.
It's apple that pushed this idea into the world that a tablet is a "third category device". And the reason is simply that: they want you to buy 4 devices from them, not one.

It's all about the money.
Microsoft is now coming with windows 8 saying "there isn't a single valid reason why a pc couldn't be all 3 at the same time".

You also overlook that even for home users, applications like Office and Photoshop is very important for a lot of them. Windows 8 has no problems running full versions of all those types of apps. In fact, it's designed to do so.

Certainly in these financially unstable times, I'ld think people will be more interested in buying a single 1000$ win 8 device rather then a 700$ tablet, 1500$ laptop and/or 2000$ desktop.

People have this false idea that Apple makes iOs tablets because they believe that people need it in that form. This is false. They make iOs tablets that aren't able to fully replace a mac, because they want you to ALSO buy a mac.

It's all about getting the most money out of your pocket as possible.
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Eh? Only if you define walled gardens to include those with walls that you can step over easily.

Android users can get apps from either the google or amazon store (and many other places). You can define Android overall as being a walled garden, but not the stores within its ecosystem.

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