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Old 12-16-2011, 04:42 PM   #1
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Arrow Does the book on photography really need pictures?

The situation is: there is a book on photography; it contains not small amount of text, but also not so few black and white photographs. Whole ebook on Kindle takes almost 4MB.
This makes it impossible to publish it for 0.99$ on Amazon, of course.

But, the idea of boosting sales by setting the lowest price is tempting. Even as a time-limited offer, why not?

So here is a proposition: remove the pictures and publish text-only version. But, here is the question - does it makes sense at all? I mean, in my opinion it's really a nonsense, especially getting into consideration subject and the role photos have in this work.

Here you can see sample chapter, to let you visualize my problem:
http://13th-frame.com/chapters/did-you-see-fjords/


What do you think?
I'd appreciate any feedback!

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Old 12-16-2011, 07:36 PM   #2
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I'd want the pictures. A photoless book about photos, doesn't make much sense, plus some concepts are best shown, and not described.
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Old 12-16-2011, 08:59 PM   #3
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A book about photography, without pictures, is like sitting down to a perfect steak on the table ready to eat. And you have no teeth to enjoy it with.
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Old 12-16-2011, 10:40 PM   #4
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The pictures are good. The text doesn't need them. As an amateur photographer, based on the sample given, I would buy that book, with or without pictures. The presence or absence of pictures change the tone of the book for me...not in a value way, but in the way I receive it, react to it, experience it, subjectively, but neither way better or worse.

For my mind, it works without the pictures. If I enjoyed the text, as I do with the sample, it may also be that a "scarce good" you could sell at a regular price is the "coffee table book" (pbook) with pictures too?

(EDIT: I didn't think to look further than the sample, to know it was already available. At the current price, buying it was an easy one-click)

(2nd EDIT: Note, when I say "the pictures are good", I don't mean to be commenting on their own qualities - or I'd spend more time telling you how much I enjoyed them - but rather I think their placement within the text is "good". Just thought I better get that out of the way, so you didn't think I was giving a one-word critique of your photography )

Cheers,
Marc

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Old 12-17-2011, 06:30 AM   #5
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A book about photography, without pictures, is like sitting down to a perfect steak on the table ready to eat. And you have no teeth to enjoy it with.

Good one!
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Old 12-17-2011, 06:34 AM   #6
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The pictures are good. The text doesn't need them. As an amateur photographer, based on the sample given, I would buy that book, with or without pictures. The presence or absence of pictures change the tone of the book for me...not in a value way, but in the way I receive it, react to it, experience it, subjectively, but neither way better or worse.
Yeah, exactly, I have the same feeling, that's why I asked

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If I enjoyed the text, as I do with the sample, it may also be that a "scarce good" you could sell at a regular price is the "coffee table book" (pbook) with pictures too?
Really?
I mean - do you know what would be the price, for instance, on Blurb? In my opinion it's quite high...
But thanks a lot for suggestion!

Thanks at all, Marc, I really appreciate your voice!
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Old 12-17-2011, 03:16 PM   #7
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Well, so far 100% of voices for not deleting the pictures. That corresponds with my personal feelings, I think I won't do that. Thanks for your response!
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Old 12-17-2011, 08:46 PM   #8
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why can't you sell a 4mb file on Amazon for $0.99?

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Well, so far 100% of voices for not deleting the pictures. That corresponds with my personal feelings, I think I won't do that. Thanks for your response!
Here's your first vote from the oposition.

From that sample I would say that this is a story based around photography not a book about photography and the pictures could be dumped without loss.

The photographs, as good as they are, really add nothing to the story.
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Old 12-18-2011, 09:36 AM   #10
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Sounds a rather daft idea, frankly - but being only a "snapper" I wouldn't read it if there were 100's of pic's anyway.
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Where's the "Sounds a rather daft idea, frankly" option ?

But only being a lowly "snapper", I wouldn't read it if there were 100's of pic's anyway.
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Old 12-18-2011, 10:55 AM   #12
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Susan Sontags book titled On Photography contains no photographs yet is one of the most important books on the subject for me.

If it is a book on technical theory it would perhaps need images to illustrate a point but otherwise not
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If it's the exact same book without the pictures, then you never needed them in the first place. All they ever were was fluff and padding. Shame on you for doing that. But if their absence changes the essence of the book then they need to be in there.

Given that the resolution of most e-reader screens is not all that great, could you get around the 4mb size limit by compressing the images well past the point that they'd look good on a big monitor, but still look ok on a small e-reader?
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My option isn't there.


It depends. I've seen books about photography with a lot of pictures. Which were useless. A picture can say more than a thousand words, true. But if you're talking about picture making, you should always add more than one about the same subject (right vs wrong, long focus vs short focus, etc).
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A picture is worth 1K words except when it is a book on How to take great pictures, then the picture is priceless.

Ansel Adams f32 Black and White photos can't be expressed in words.
Shallow Depth of Field descriptions lack the fuzziness
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