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All Book Club Polls in 2012 should be Hidden. 17 47.22%
All Book Club Polls in 2012 should be Viewable. 7 19.44%
Each month, we should alternate between Hidden and Viewable. 10 27.78%
Other (Please explain in comments). 2 5.56%
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Old 11-21-2011, 05:58 PM   #1
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To see or not to see: 2012 Voting

The purpose of this poll is to find out how people are liking the hidden vote, and decide whether we wish to keep it in 2012, go back to the way things were, mix it up a bit, or find some other way of doing things.

There are four choices:

All Book Club Polls in 2012 should be Hidden.

All Book club Polls in 2012 should be Viewable.

Each month, we should alternate between hidden and open voting.

Other (Please explain in comments).

NOTE: The actual numbers in the poll are different from the number of people who voted on each question because one member asked if they could change their vote.

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Old 11-21-2011, 06:07 PM   #2
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Could we please stick to the current method of barrack-room lawyering by Jon and others? It really is very entertaining.
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Old 11-21-2011, 06:14 PM   #3
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The one thing that I see lacking in the poll option is being able to have a first, second, and third choice. So you can say ------- would be your first choice but if nobody else votes for that your vote would be carried over to you second choice.

So you could still vote for the book that you really want to read even though it's not doing so great in the current votes. I think that would mean less wasted votes.
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Old 11-21-2011, 06:18 PM   #4
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The one thing that I see lacking in the poll option is being able to have a first, second, and third choice. So you can say ------- would be your first choice but if nobody else votes for that your vote would be carried over to you second choice.

So you could still vote for the book that you really want to read even though it's not doing so great in the current votes. I think that would mean less wasted votes.
Yes! Preferential/Ranked voting!! Can we vote on that next please, Tom, or open it to discussion now? I know the suggestion has been brought up more than once.
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I would be suspect if open polling won. I would be thinking these people don't mind having their opinions taken from them.
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Old 11-21-2011, 06:25 PM   #6
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Could we please stick to the current method of barrack-room lawyering by Jon and others? It really is very entertaining.
We'll only get that in the nomination thread. No longer in the vote thread. So if you voted for open voting because of that, you've wasted your vote.
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The one thing that I see lacking in the poll option is being able to have a first, second, and third choice. So you can say ------- would be your first choice but if nobody else votes for that your vote would be carried over to you second choice.

So you could still vote for the book that you really want to read even though it's not doing so great in the current votes. I think that would mean less wasted votes.
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Yes! Preferential/Ranked voting!! Can we vote on that next please, Tom, or open it to discussion now? I know the suggestion has been brought up more than once.
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I would be suspect if open polling won. I would be thinking these people don't mind having their opinions taken from them.
See what I mean!
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The one thing that I see lacking in the poll option is being able to have a first, second, and third choice. So you can say ------- would be your first choice but if nobody else votes for that your vote would be carried over to you second choice.

So you could still vote for the book that you really want to read even though it's not doing so great in the current votes. I think that would mean less wasted votes.
Yes, such a proportional system would be very good. Say after the initial vote take the top to in the running (A & B) and then to each total add those who selected neither of those two, but selected A or B as 2nd choice. Unlike what some claim here a straight hidden poll does not necessarily select the book most people want. With ten books to select from a plurality of voters can select a book that would not have been the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, . . choice of a majority of voters. The problem is that I do not believe this can be done with the current polling software?

So this does not mean I voted for the "other" option. I figure like King Solomon split the baby in two and make everyone at least partly happy.

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Yes, such a proportional system would be very good. Say after the initial vote take the top to in the running (A & B) and then to each total add those who selected neither of those two, but selected A or B as 2nd choice. Unlike what some claim here a straight hidden poll does not necessarily select the book most people want. With ten books to select from a plurality of voters can select a book that would not have been the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, . . choice of a majority of voters. The problem is that I do not believe this can be done with the current polling software?
It cannot.
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It's gotta be other. Basically it's a hidden poll, but at various times you can see part of the results. Like on Tuesdays between 3:45 and 3:47 (GMT) you can see the votes for the odd-numbered books, but only if they were nominated by someone who's avatar has the colour green in it, then on Thursday between 18:23 and 18:25 (GMT) you can see the votes for the even-numbered books, but only if they were nominated by someone who's avatar has the colour red in it. Unless of course all the books were nominated by people with the colour yellow in their avatar and then the first, third and eight book are always hidden regardless of previous times and colours. If one of the titles contains the word black then it's voting result can be seen all the time unless your forum name begins with B, D, U, or M in which case you only see book number seven's results on odd-numbered days in non-leap years.
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Tom, can I change my answer?
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Tom, can I change my answer?
I don't have the power to do that, but let me ask one of the Administrators and see if they can. They have powers and abilities far beyond those of mortal moderators. Just in case they can (it is an open vote), what would you like to change it to?
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I don't have the power to do that, but let me ask one of the Administrators and see if they can. They have powers and abilities far beyond those of mortal moderators. Just in case they can (it is an open vote), what would you like to change it to?
I would like to choose: "All Book Club Polls in 2012 should be Hidden. ". As much as I like my original choice, I think my new choice would be best. Its less work/remembering for you & dreams and overall more fun for me. Please and Thank You for asking the powers that be.

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It's gotta be other. Basically it's a hidden poll, but at various times you can see part of the results. Like on Tuesdays between 3:45 and 3:47 (GMT) you can see the votes for the odd-numbered books, but only if they were nominated by someone who's avatar has the colour green in it, then on Thursday between 18:23 and 18:25 (GMT) you can see the votes for the even-numbered books, but only if they were nominated by someone who's avatar has the colour red in it. Unless of course all the books were nominated by people with the colour yellow in their avatar and then the first, third and eight book are always hidden regardless of previous times and colours. If one of the titles contains the word black then it's voting result can be seen all the time unless your forum name begins with B, D, U, or M in which case you only see book number seven's results on odd-numbered days in non-leap years.
This idea sounds fantastic! Although, I find it very disconcerting that you make no allowance for avatars with the colour orange...

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This idea sounds fantastic! Although, I find it very disconcerting that you make no allowance for avatars with the colour orange...

(I tried to give you karma for making me laugh but apparently you were the last person I gave any to so it won't let me)
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