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Old 10-21-2011, 08:07 PM   #106
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Not necessarily. Especially if they're moving to a system (as it seems they are) that transparently delivers the proper format to the proper device/app. The DRM scheme has already changed since the K1 came out, but you can still get brand new books delivered to those K1's with the old DRM that's based on a device PID. I don't see much difference between that and K4PC version 1.0-beta still chugging along. They haven't had any trouble maintaining and preparing for backward-compatibility yet, so I see no need for them to suddenly start. The new features alone are often enough reason to get people to upgrade all on their own... so there's really no reason to force those upgrades with a heavy-handed approach.
Interesting.

It's quite unusual for a vertically integrated platform like Kindle to not feature "forced" updates at some point.
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Old 10-21-2011, 08:23 PM   #107
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Interesting.

It's quite unusual for a vertically integrated platform like Kindle to not feature "forced" updates at some point.
People got burnt the first time Amazon got into the ebook business (pre-Kindle, pre-mobi) with purchases that were basically rendered worthless. It seems they learned a valuable lesson and are definitely doing everything they can to accommodate the very first Kindle as well as the very latest. It's not really that surprising since they're far more interested in selling you a lifetime's worth of content than they are in selling you a handful of new devices. Anything that might interrupt/change or otherwise f**k with a customer's use of their content is just bad business.
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Old 10-21-2011, 11:45 PM   #108
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Sigh. I suppose it was too much to expect that Amazon would have the self confidence to believe that they could standardize on EPUB and still maintain market dominance.

On the bright side, at least they're doing their damndest to keep the conversion parts of calibre relevant
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Old 10-22-2011, 12:17 AM   #109
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One thing worth noting is that since they're using their own format, they don't have to wait around for the IDPF etc to finalize an ePub standard, and can basically set it up any way they want.

ePub 3.0 has been in the works since April 2010. I'm curious as to how long it took Amazon to crank out K8.
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Old 10-22-2011, 01:34 AM   #110
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I hope they will not get rid of the index/dictionary features of Mobi. I have also been asking them for TTS controlling tags (on, off, pauses, etc) inside the text. Otherwise, better formatting and new features are welcome.
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Old 10-22-2011, 01:56 AM   #111
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I must say, I have really enjoyed all the comments posted here. Great insightful commentary and respectful subjective opinions and counterpoint.

All I really have to add is this:

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I really don't have anything to add. I gave up on the Kindle after the first gen.

That does not mean I am slighting the Kindle, it is a fine collection of devices for reading books, comics, pamphlets and mock turtle soup recipes. Kindle owners should be proud of making a wise and informed buying decision.

It just doesn't work for me. I prefer a more open format.
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Wow, it really does sound wierd singing off with "cheers" if you are not from the UK! I won't do it again.

Sorry.
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Old 10-22-2011, 08:51 AM   #112
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Sigh. I suppose it was too much to expect that Amazon would have the self confidence to believe that they could standardize on EPUB and still maintain market dominance.

....
yes. Damn!

Actually this could be a good thing if it gets us away from that horrible PDF format and Topaz....

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Old 10-22-2011, 08:54 AM   #113
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ooh, something new to argue about. refreshing.


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Old 10-22-2011, 09:41 AM   #114
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The updates are free, so there's no reason for the user to not upgrade (outside of cracking the DRM) - not exactly something Amazon would want to enable.
It's possible for the user to end up in a situation where they can't upgrade - if Amazon makes a smartphone app that requires a newer version of the OS, but their device can't be updated.

On PC/Mac, that holds; phones, not so much I'm afraid.
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Being a suspicious type, my mind wanders to the recent 'personal document' changes. Do you suppose that we might have to pay Amazon to have our un-drm'd books from other sources converted to K8 format?

Personal documents (i.e. un-drm's books that folks are sending to their Kindles) have got to be a huge number flowing through Amazon's servers.

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Being a suspicious type, my mind wanders to the recent 'personal document' changes. Do you suppose that we might have to pay Amazon to have our un-drm'd books from other sources converted to K8 format?
If nothing else, you should be able to use KindleGen 2 to do it for free...
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It's possible for the user to end up in a situation where they can't upgrade - if Amazon makes a smartphone app that requires a newer version of the OS, but their device can't be updated.

On PC/Mac, that holds; phones, not so much I'm afraid.
Oh of course that's possible, but I don't see it happening for a while.
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Oh of course that's possible, but I don't see it happening for a while.
I think it'll happen quicker than you expect - Microsoft already did that for about a month with Windows Phone 7 (if you released an app with Windows Phone 7.1 features, you couldn't release new versions that supported Windows Phone 7.0), and only changed that earlier this week.
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I think it'll happen quicker than you expect - Microsoft already did that for about a month with Windows Phone 7 (if you released an app with Windows Phone 7.1 features, you couldn't release new versions that supported Windows Phone 7.0), and only changed that earlier this week.
That's Microsoft. They're still a tiny player in the Mobile market and they don't have the resources to support older versions.

iOS and Android don't work the same way.

The Kindle App works on iOS 3, 4 and 5 - that works on every iPhone, iPod touch and iPad.

iOS 3 was discontinued nearly 18 months ago. Windows Phone 7.0 wasn't even out then!

The Android version works on Android 2.1+

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That's Microsoft. They're still a tiny player in the Mobile market and they don't have the resources to support older versions.

iOS and Android don't work the same way.

The Kindle App works on iOS 3, 4 and 5 - that works on every iPhone, iPod touch and iPad.

iOS 3 was discontinued nearly 18 months ago. Windows Phone 7.0 wasn't even out then!

The Android version works on Android 2.1+
Stanza no longer works on iOS 5. I can see a lot of apps no longer working on iOS 3. That's not unrealistic.
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