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Old 10-21-2011, 12:13 AM   #31
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Old 10-21-2011, 12:28 AM   #32
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i take "current generation" to include the K3. its still in production, is it not?

i think you'll just end up getting enhanced features over the standard mobi format but it will still work on current kindles. kind of like being able to watch a dvd on a blu-ray player, it still works fine it just doesnt take advantage of blu-ray only features.

in the off chance no new books work i'm just going back to hardcopies, screw it.
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Old 10-21-2011, 12:45 AM   #33
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I am curious whether they will take this opportunity to "upgrade" their DRM support, including their ability to lock out text to speech on some books?
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Old 10-21-2011, 12:51 AM   #34
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Old 10-21-2011, 12:53 AM   #35
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Content that is designed around the new features won't work on an older Kindle, but much of it will likely be best on a color screen anyway. This is also true of the Kindle PDFs, which are typically optimized for big screens.

Amazon already includes the original ePub in their AZW ebooks, and it looks like this might be replaced by KF8. In other words, an AZW ebook will include MOBI and KF8. From the FAQ:


thats what i'm thinking, that "works on all kindle devices" is pretty telling. books will work on all kindles but you'll need the newest models to take advantage of the new features.

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Old 10-21-2011, 04:02 AM   #36
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Amazon already includes the original ePub in their AZW ebooks
Can you show us some AZW eBooks that have ePub in them and how to extract the ePub? All the AZW I've dealt with have been just Mobipocket under the hood.
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Just for the fun of it: KF8 in the Italian cellphone texting slang sounds like "Who am I screwing up?"...

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Old 10-21-2011, 04:14 AM   #38
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It sounds to me like they will support ePub at some point. From their Kindle Format Overview web page:
No, that's just saying that their digital publishing service can accept ePub as an input format - and this is already the case.
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Old 10-21-2011, 04:22 AM   #39
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Can you show us some AZW eBooks that have ePub in them and how to extract the ePub? All the AZW I've dealt with have been just Mobipocket under the hood.
When you create a book with Kindlegen you get a complete copy of the source files included in the Mobi book. That's true using an HTML source. If you use ePub as source, I don't know if you'd simply get the ePub included, or its component HTML files.
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Old 10-21-2011, 04:55 AM   #40
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If Amazon went ePub with Adept DRM, I think they'd be able to directly compete with others. But if Amazon is going to come out with eBooks that are in yet a different format, then we'll maybe see people jump ship.
Has this post been lost in the mail for a couple of years?
They seem to have been managing to compete quite well with a different ebook format to everyone else for a while now.
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Oh, they swap a format my reader can't read against an other my reader can't read.

Still, once DRM are removed, it should be more easily editable, convertible to ePub.
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Old 10-21-2011, 05:12 AM   #42
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Gee, I'm shocked. It's almost like they're trying to force people to upgrade. I feel like I've seen this before with, what was it? Ah yes, .LIT. How many people lost their content that time? Unless they illegally broke the DRM?

I wonder how their switch-over support is going to be for the devices that actually support KF8.
Surely this is lack of support for the new format on older devices, not lack of support for the older format on newer devices.

All the existing Kindle titles will work on the Kindle Fire and on eInk Kindles with the new firmware.
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Old 10-21-2011, 05:17 AM   #43
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I am happy to sit and wait for "Alf plus in a can" for de-infestation purposes.
It will be interesting to see if they ditch the Mobipocket/Palm Doc wrapper for KF8. If they do, it will probably take quite a while for a solution to appear. If they keep it, I suspect that a solution will be available in a very short time.

My bet is that they will keep the Palm Doc wrapper.
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Can you show us some AZW eBooks that have ePub in them and how to extract the ePub? All the AZW I've dealt with have been just Mobipocket under the hood.
KindleGen adds the source file to the end of the Kindle ebook, and the source file can be an ePub. Amazon seems to strip this source from the Kindle ebook when it's uploaded to Amazon for distribution.

I do wonder whether they've been storing these stripped source files, and might run them through their new KindleGen to generate KF8 files of higher quality for devices that support, at least as a stop-gap measure until publishers update files.
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I don't really care much about any of this.

Ok, it's mildly disappointing that they are releasing yet another ebook format, but it still doesn't matter that much from an end-user perspective. At some point, the format will be editable and I'll just carry on using Calibre to manage my book collection, same as I've always done. Epub would have been preferable and easier all round, but it's not big drama.

As long as I can get the books I want on whatever Kindle I happen to own at the moment, it's all good!
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