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Old 10-07-2011, 04:31 PM   #1
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Banned Users and Deletions

Can I ask why it is necessary to delete messages from banned users when the actual message in the thread is not in any way inflamatory or otherwise creating issues? It just makes it annoying for those of us following the thread.

I do understand that you've been dealing with a bit of an issue. And I sympathize, truly I do. I've done my time as a sysop/wizop/moderator on more than one forum/newsgroup/board. But not all posts by the offending parties are actually an issue, and IMNSHO it would be perfectly fine to let them stay in those places where they aren't creating an issue.

By all means, yank their posts from the threads where they are being jerks, etc. I have no problem with that.
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Old 10-07-2011, 04:41 PM   #2
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It's simply a matter of available moderator resources. We really don't have the time to look at every post and ask "is this an on-topic post?". We use a generic "ban this user and delete all their posts" feature of the board. It's really meant for handling spam, but it's also useful for dealing with the sort of morons who think is "funny" to create multiple "sockpuppets" when they've been banned from MR.
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Old 10-07-2011, 04:51 PM   #3
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Fair enough, Harry. Though perhaps the board itself needs an easy inbetween option. "Delete this post and ban the user".

I agree about the morons. And suggest some judicious IP address blocking might be in order? Not that such things are by any means foolproof. But often are sufficient to allow someone to calm down and think about actually behaving like a constructive member of the forum.
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Old 10-07-2011, 04:55 PM   #4
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No, you're right - IP blocks are good, and we do use them for persistant irritants. They have the benefit that when we block IPs at the server they can't see MR at all, let alone try to join it. It just makes the entire site vanish for that person.
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Old 10-07-2011, 05:06 PM   #5
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BTW, off-topic for this thread. How's The Return of Sherlock Holmes coming? I'm thinking I'm about ready to read some more Sherlock, and sort of waiting for your sig to change.
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Old 10-07-2011, 05:09 PM   #6
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I'm about half way through it, but I'm not going to upload another version until I've done the other two books of short stories, too: "His Last Bow", and "Case-book".
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Old 10-07-2011, 05:10 PM   #7
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No, you're right - IP blocks are good, and we do use them for persistant irritants. They have the benefit that when we block IPs at the server they can't see MR at all, let alone try to join it. It just makes the entire site vanish for that person.
This is very scary option.
Many users are on [relatively] big networks behind NAT routers and you might block more than one person by blocking an IP.

Besides, if I was a really persistent troublemaker I would have learned to use proxy servers. When you block such IP you might block other users that use the same proxy for legitimate reasons.
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Old 10-07-2011, 05:17 PM   #8
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Old 10-07-2011, 08:28 PM   #9
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Old 10-09-2011, 12:27 PM   #10
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It does not surprise me that it is possible to delete all posts by any individual user, a single SQL statement should do. It just surprises me that that is something that this board chooses to do. It occurs to me then that this could also be done by request? If a user wishes to have their entire history on the board deleted a board moderator could comply? Of course that would not rid the board of instances where other users have quoted the individual, but the same applies in this particular case.
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Old 10-09-2011, 01:10 PM   #11
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To clarify; if a user gets banned, their posts will not get deleted (unless they were banned for spamming). However, if they then create a "sockpuppet" to try to rejoin, then that sockpuppet's posts WILL get deleted. Once you're banned, you have no more "voice" on MR.
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Old 10-09-2011, 01:48 PM   #12
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Once you're banned, you have no more "voice" on MR.

Is this so definitely? And if yes, has it to be so definitely? Couldn't you/we show forgiveness and generosity after a certain amount of time, after a year or half a year or so?
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Old 10-09-2011, 03:34 PM   #13
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Is this so definitely? And if yes, has it to be so definitely? Couldn't you/we show forgiveness and generosity after a certain amount of time, after a year or half a year or so?
There's no need. We already let people come back from temporary bans, and most everyone who gets a permanent ban was first given a temporary ban.
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Old 10-09-2011, 05:37 PM   #14
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Yes, I've seen the "suspended" for a temporary ban in some cases.

But I was referring especially to the permanent ban. My thinking is somewhere along these lines: if you commit a crime in real life and get caught then you have to serve a sentence but after a certain amount of time you can start anew. But here in this virtual life you won't get the chance to start anew after a ban of a year or so, will you?!
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But here in this virtual life you won't get the chance to start anew after a ban of a year or so, will you?!
Maybe you could have some kind of probation system. With rules like: you can only post once every 4 hours.
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