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Old 10-09-2011, 08:50 PM   #46
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I agree. A niche for every taste now.
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Old 10-11-2011, 08:32 AM   #47
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I think that settles it. The scene goes in and the blurb gets redone. And as soon as I settle on a new title, I'll redo the cover to a more appropriate (noir-type) cover.
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I think that settles it. The scene goes in and the blurb gets redone. And as soon as I settle on a new title, I'll redo the cover to a more appropriate (noir-type) cover.
Good call.
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Old 10-15-2011, 03:22 PM   #49
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If anyone's interested, I think I'm done with the proof/rewrite, and I'll be finishing the book for release this week. This is the cover I've created for it.


(Edit: New cover shown; the old cover has been replaced by the new cover, as I used the same filename.)

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Old 10-16-2011, 08:16 PM   #50
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And why does any of that require an explicit sex scene? It's all for titillation and market expectations. Now, I'm sure you're unlikely to agree with me but as an exercise imagine being able to convey every one of those, dubious, points without the need for gynaecological gymnastics in the scene. I can think of ways to convey these outcome of sex without sex. You really don't think you can?

Which is not to say I object to sex scenes - although they do nothing for me. I like proper porn - I just think it's a complete lie that anyone is using them to advance the plot.
What if the plot involves the character's sexual awakening? Lady Chatterly's Lover wouldn't have worked faded to black.

Or a character recovering from abuse? The first consensual sex after a rape would be immensely revealing, and if the book is about the character healing, necessary.

Or a love story where the two characters are apart? A graphic sex scene remembered fondly by both/either character will not only do a great job of showing the flavor of the relationship, but also illustrate the tension of longing for what is lost. The Crow (the original comic) is an exquisite illustration of this point.

So, yes, in most stories it probably isn't necessary. But in some it belongs and works very well.
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Old 10-16-2011, 08:24 PM   #51
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If anyone's interested, I think I'm done with the proof/rewrite, and I'll be finishing the book for release this week. This is the cover I've created for it.

I like the fact that the title is very clear, but the graphic isn't wowing me.
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Old 10-16-2011, 09:28 PM   #52
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I like the fact that the title is very clear, but the graphic isn't wowing me.
Its not my genera so was not gonna comment on it, but since Keryl said exactly my opinion I figure I'll just +1 her.
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Old 10-17-2011, 10:29 PM   #53
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Old 10-22-2011, 07:26 PM   #54
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FYI, the book has been released on my site. And yes, I redid the cover...

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Old 10-22-2011, 08:49 PM   #55
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FYI, the book has been released on my site. And yes, I redid the cover...

Not that I'm an expert, but I like this one much, much better! Here's wishing you lots and lots of sales.
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Old 10-22-2011, 09:07 PM   #56
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FYI, the book has been released on my site. And yes, I redid the cover...

That cover is MUCH better! There's a free sample somewhere on your site, I hope?
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I agree, the new cover looks much better - good luck!
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Old 10-23-2011, 06:01 PM   #58
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That cover is MUCH better! There's a free sample somewhere on your site, I hope?
Yes, the first 3 chapters are available as a free sample on my site. Glad you like the new cover!

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Old 10-29-2011, 10:23 PM   #59
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I know it's been a few days, but I stumbled over this blog while surfing the web for new authors to discover, and it reminded me of this thread. I think she makes a couple of very good points. There are far too many poorly written sex scenes in books today... and not enough of the very well written ones.
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There are far too many poorly written sex scenes in books today... and not enough of the very well written ones.
Agreed... but that can be said, truly, about a lot of scene types... dialogue... action... suspense... war. A lot of writing is bad, but it is overlooked or ignored, or the fact that it isn't good is simply said and left there.

I think the real difference here is the stigma placed on sex in writing--and every other media--by those who are afraid of letting it out into the light. That stigma forces writers to second-guess their efforts, to avoid "going too far," upsetting readers (or critics) and unfairly branding them as undesirable. No other type of scene, except, perhaps, "torture-porn" has that stigma... the fact that "porn" is added to the word "torture" is a clear indicator of that.

Then, the writing, good or bad, is tarred with the "smut" brush almost immediately.

When I was working, I was a lot more worried about the stigma than whether or not I could write a good sex scene. In fact, I had to come to grips with the stigma first, deciding that I was not going to worry about it. Once I did that, I was able to write the scene with the same level of competence that I'd write any other scene.

Which begs the question: Do I write a good sex scene? As always, it's up to readers to decide that competence.

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