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Old 09-13-2011, 01:02 PM   #1
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TIMN: Future Android Versions Optimized for Intel

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At Intel’s Developer Forum, Google’s Andy Rubin just appeared on stage to confirm that Google and Intel will be continuing their partnership. Expanding it, even, as Rubin announced that all future versions of Android would include optimizations for Intel silicon – from the core of the OS up to multimedia. So to catch up: today we saw Microsoft tout Windows 8 running on Arm processors and we saw Google tout Android running on Intel processors. Yes, we got the order right there.

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Old 09-14-2011, 02:37 AM   #2
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Have they fixed power consumption, though? For normal desktop processors, Intel's very good when it comes to power consumption and efficiency. However, their current Atom offerings just can't quite compare to ARM.
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I find Windows going multi-platform much better news.
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Old 09-14-2011, 08:16 AM   #4
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Have they fixed power consumption, though? For normal desktop processors, Intel's very good when it comes to power consumption and efficiency. However, their current Atom offerings just can't quite compare to ARM.
Which is one of the main reasons given for porting to ARM processors...
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I find Windows going multi-platform much better news.
Agreed.
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Old 09-15-2011, 11:15 AM   #6
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Yes to fixing power consumption. The chip they have planned for the first half of 2013 can run indefinitely on a solar panel -- kind of like the solar powered calculators.

Of course this doesn't apply to the display or any wireless/radio so we won't be seeing plugless tablets for quite some time.

Also, note that this doesn't imply that Android will be only optimized for Intel. My read is that Intel optimizations will now be on a par with those included for ARM -- although that wasn't explicitly stated.
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One thing that you guys need to keep in mind, that with Windows going multi architecture isn't effective unless you have support for it (and I don't just mean from MS). Windows has actually run on processors other than x86 for years, but it wasn't supported by third party companies. For instance, have any of you guys run the 64bit version of XP? Yeah, it blew chunks and you could run very little. It was even worse on the Itanium, PowerPC, Alpha, and MIPS processors. The way that Windows applications are made, they're very much tied into the architecture that they're developed for. For the most part, until very recently, most windows apps were 32bit x86 only. They could run on some 64bit machines, because the AMD64 and x86-64 systems were designed with backwards compatibility in the chips themselves, but there are still quirks and issues however. If you would try to run an x86 executable on a non x86 machine without emulation, even if it is a windows app and you have Windows on the alternative processor, you'll meet failure. Apple, when they switched Motorola to PowerPC, PPC 32bit to PPC64, and also with the switch to Intel, kept things compatible by including some emulation, as well as enabling their tools to include executable code for each of the systems in one binary package (key word here being package, since the apps themselves aren't actually one binary file).

Given how Windows binaries are made, I don't see that as being a likely solution (it is theoretically possible, with a few methods being possible), and many people balk at emulation since it is often slower.

Long story short, Windows on ARM? Big whoop. Come to me when it is actually usable. Android on x86, easy, since apps aren't native to the arch.
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One thing that you guys need to keep in mind, that with Windows going multi architecture isn't effective unless you have support for it (and I don't just mean from MS). Windows has actually run on processors other than x86 for years, but it wasn't supported by third party companies.
Agreed, it was as smart move for Android to support Java. This puts the effort on Google having to make the OS run seamlessly on any device w/o the user having to worry about binary compatibility.

As for the user their none the wiser
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Agreed, it was as smart move for Android to support Java. This puts the effort on Google having to make the OS run seamlessly on any device w/o the user having to worry about binary compatibility.

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Even if not done with Java, just the fact of using a VM for the code was smart. Plus with Java, do have more support, since a good number of people know it, and it is kin with the C languages, to bring over other programmers
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Near confirmation that Meego is dead and Intel has decided to move on. I checked the meego repos and there are no new daily builds since 24th Aug.
This could be due to some security issues, but the coincidences are coming too fast to ignore.
One more biting the dust..
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I find Windows going multi-platform much better news.
Going BACK to multi-platform. Don't forget that it's been multi-platform in the past. NT was originally available for DEC Alpha and IBM/Motorola PowerPC CPUs as well as for Intel.

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Going BACK to multi-platform. Don't forget that it's been multi-platform in the past. NT was originally available for DEC Alpha and IBM/Motorola PowerPC CPUs as well as for Intel.
Yeah, and don't forget Itanium and MIPS
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Going BACK to multi-platform. Don't forget that it's been multi-platform in the past. NT was originally available for DEC Alpha and IBM/Motorola PowerPC CPUs as well as for Intel.
How big was the market for all those platforms combined? Compare that to Arm world.

With Visual Studio that can cross platform and actual demand for applications on non-x86 CPUs (assuming, people would actually use windows on Arm ), I pity Intel.

Who's locked to Wintel at the moment? Gaming crowd (DirectX), MS Office users. "I just want to browser web/ watch video/check emails" consumers will be swept away from wintel to tablets and co. MS just doesn't want to go down with x86, it's not much of an anti-intel move.
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How big was the market for all those platforms combined? Compare that to Arm world.
The non-Intel NT platforms were, if memory serves me correctly, pretty much exclusively high-end workstations. They were going after the market that was dominated at the time by Sun.
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How big was the market for all those platforms combined? Compare that to Arm world.

With Visual Studio that can cross platform and actual demand for applications on non-x86 CPUs (assuming, people would actually use windows on Arm ), I pity Intel.

Who's locked to Wintel at the moment? Gaming crowd (DirectX), MS Office users. "I just want to browser web/ watch video/check emails" consumers will be swept away from wintel to tablets and co. MS just doesn't want to go down with x86, it's not much of an anti-intel move.
That aside, you still had the problem with putting the burden of support onto the third party. Also how many people will get upset because they buy an ARM device with Windows 8, and find that they cannot run apps they can on their copy of Windows 8 on a x86 machine? The way Windows binaries have always been, is that they only run on the platform that they were compiled for. x86 binaries only run on x86 compatible systems, x86-64 only run on 64 bit compatible machines, etc. Hell, there are still plenty of developers out there that do not produce 64bit binaries (despite tools like Visual Studio having the ability to compile for 64bit systems), which causes problems at times (used to be that 64 bit versions of Windows required 64 bit drivers, regardless of their ability to run 32 bit software). Unless Microsoft seriously does some hard core push for support, the ARM version will languish behind the x86 versions, due to lack of third party support. Pretty much, unless you force people to go out of their way to not support something, devs will not support a minority product.
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