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Old 07-21-2011, 03:20 AM   #1
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Linked endnotes in epub

I have a non-fiction book with a heap of endnote-references throughout. I'm splitting the book into separate xhtml files by chapter, and want the endnote-references to act as links to the relevant endnote in the 'Endnotes' chapter. I'd also need this to link back to the reference in the chapter. I have hundreds of endnotes and I'm trying to find the best/quickest way to do this is.

I'm working in IDCS5.5 and Textwrangler. This may be something better done on a code level or in Dreamweaver (which I have access to) - either way, any insights for a suggested approach would be much appreciated!
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Old 07-21-2011, 07:47 AM   #2
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One reason for putting the endnotes at the end of each chapter would be to avoid having to dump the current chapter, open the endnotes, and repeat in reverse to get back. On some readers, like my BeBook, the chapter opening delay can get annoying. I think, but I'm not sure, that the anchor code will be simpler, as well.
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Thanks for the reply pholy. I can understand having endnotes at the end of chapters, but in this case I'd like to stick to the pbook format. In either case, I have looked at how to manually code the links with anchors - but am hoping there is a more efficient solution. Working with hundreds of endnotes, the time involved isn't really viable (unless there is a clever workflow/find replace/grep trick to make this quicker).

I'd be surprised if no one has built a script for such a thing.
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It depends on your source code. Usually I can do it via some RegExp. My Word macro for HTML does it automatically.
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Old 07-23-2011, 05:19 AM   #5
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This is one area where I've found it's easiest to compose the document in Word (which will fill in the links for you on endnotes) and then export to ePub using Atlantis Word Processor, which will preserve the endnote links. The result still needs to be cleaned up in Sigil (mostly to convert paragraph margins to em and to fix a few other things), but it's very usable.
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Old 07-23-2011, 08:43 AM   #6
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Old 07-30-2011, 07:33 AM   #7
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@pholy: Another thing why I wouldn't put endnots at th end of a chapter would be the time I need to get to the next one. if you don't need the endnotes you would be required to flip trough them for the next chapter.
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Old 07-30-2011, 11:27 AM   #8
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@pholy: Another thing why I wouldn't put endnots at th end of a chapter would be the time I need to get to the next one. if you don't need the endnotes you would be required to flip trough them for the next chapter.
That is a reason I would like them in the chapter. Most most books there are only a few and depending on pagination you might not even have an extra page. It also affords an opportunity to scan them quickly to see if there is something you missed. Unfortunately footnotes can be for documentation or might include explanatory information. There is no way to tell unless you follow the link. Having them at the end of the chapter will the chapter is still fresh on your mind is useful to not miss something useful.

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Thank you DaleDe -

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Old 07-30-2011, 06:01 PM   #10
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One reason for putting the endnotes at the end of each chapter would be to avoid having to dump the current chapter, open the endnotes, and repeat in reverse to get back. On some readers, like my BeBook, the chapter opening delay can get annoying. I think, but I'm not sure, that the anchor code will be simpler, as well.
And then when you get to the part in the chapter with the endnotes, you have to page turn past it to get to the next chapter.

The proper way to do it is all the endnotes in one file with a style that does a pagebreak so when you go to the endnote, it is the only one shown.


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That is a reason I would like them in the chapter. Most most books there are only a few and depending on pagination you might not even have an extra page. It also affords an opportunity to scan them quickly to see if there is something you missed. Unfortunately footnotes can be for documentation or might include explanatory information. There is no way to tell unless you follow the link. Having them at the end of the chapter will the chapter is still fresh on your mind is useful to not miss something useful.

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I have to disagree. Having something in the middle of the book that has a very good chance of taking the reader out of the story is not a good idea at all.

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Please, don't put this document into Word. You have a rather good chance of having problems due tot he mess Word can make of it.
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And then when you get to the part in the chapter with the endnotes, you have to page turn past it to get to the next chapter.

The proper way to do it is all the endnotes in one file with a style that does a pagebreak so when you go to the endnote, it is the only one shown.




I have to disagree. Having something in the middle of the book that has a very good chance of taking the reader out of the story is not a good idea at all.
I don't use footnotes in stories so much unless the are biographies. They are for reference works like histories. Try my Miller's Church history uploaded in the ePub section. In it the footnotes are after each paragraph that they occur in. They don't get in the way of the "story" but are handy if the eBook reader doesn't support links.

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I tend to put the linked endnotes immediately following the appropriate chapter/section, but I also provide a link at the very beginning of those notes (or more often at the end of the previous chapter) to jump past the notes to the next chapter/section.

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I don't use footnotes in stories so much unless the are biographies. They are for reference works like histories. Try my Miller's Church history uploaded in the ePub section. In it the footnotes are after each paragraph that they occur in. They don't get in the way of the "story" but are handy if the eBook reader doesn't support links.

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Might not get in the way of the story, but would still be rather annoying. I think endnotes are the only real way to do so.
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It's the author and editors choice where endnotes go in each specific book. I'm not an editor so I'm not entering a debate on the pros and cons of placement. I merely want an effective way to turn hundreds of endnotes into links (with return links), wherever they are in the document.

Specifically, I'd like to know if there is a good way to do this in IDCS5.5 or in xhtml (GREP, custom built scripts, find and replace - anything quicker than manually adding links to/returning to the endote references!)

@JSWolf, "The proper way to do it is all the endnotes in one file with a style that does a pagebreak so when you go to the endnote, it is the only one shown."

This sounds great!

Any suggestions on how this is done? Any tips on how to do this quickly in a book with hundreds of endnotes?
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