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Old 05-22-2010, 03:41 PM   #16
NiaTrue
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Call me a cynic, too, but that's exactly my problem with this study: It was funded in part by cell phone companies. It's like when the tobacco companies all got together to fund research that proved there was no link between smoking and cancer. When do the phone companies ever cooperate on anthing?
 
Old 05-22-2010, 04:07 PM   #17
OracleFromChicago
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Microwave ovens emit far more radiation than our Entourage Edge. It actually operates at the same frequency (2.4Ghz). How about styrofoam which emits styrene and benezene in to your food (coffee anyone)? How about Teflon? That sucker emits lots of carcinogenic gas in to the air at above 400 degrees. And we all know about BPA right? Seriously, we all need to go some time. If you cut everything like these items from your daily lives, that would be like not living at all. If you worry about such things excessively, you will probably add depression and paranoia to a long list of diseases that you will need to deal with. :-)
 
 
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Old 05-22-2010, 04:22 PM   #18
NiaTrue
Edge User
 
*giggling* Oracle, you are aware that, except for the microwave, every other item you listed has either been outright banned or is being phased out because it has been definitively linked to cancer! Teflon also hasn't been banned, but many a pet bird has bitten the dust when sitting a tad too close to a teflon pot that burned while forgotten. I love my teflon pots, but if they're giving me cancer, I want to know that. For those not in the know, at temps over 400, teflon is toxic, fatal even, which is why they can't be used in an oven.
 
Old 05-23-2010, 10:58 AM   #19
OracleFromChicago
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*giggling* Oracle, you are aware that, except for the microwave, every other item you listed has either been outright banned or is being phased out because it has been definitively linked to cancer! Teflon also hasn't been banned, but many a pet bird has bitten the dust when sitting a tad too close to a teflon pot that burned while forgotten. I love my teflon pots, but if they're giving me cancer, I want to know that. For those not in the know, at temps over 400, teflon is toxic, fatal even, which is why they can't be used in an oven.
Actually, none of those are banned. And none of those are being phased out and being replaced by something else. I probably should add lawn pesticides to that list as well. It is difficult to say that they are giving you cancer. But they are all suspected carcinogens. The cancer rate has risen quite a bit since 1970s or so. And that coincides with introduction of plastic, lawn pesticides, Teflon, among other things. All I can say is that if I am hospitalized with some type of cancer, I will probably be drinking coffee out of a styrofoam cup, receiving medicine in a BPA container, eating food prepared in a Teflon pan, and playing with my Edge that's emitting radiation. That's just the world that we live in. :-) By the way, your pans will easily reach 400 degrees on stove top especially if you preheat it or sear meat.

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Old 05-23-2010, 01:58 PM   #20
NiaTrue
Edge User
 
Ummm, BPAs are banned in Canada and in several European countries (see here and here) and and in several states in the U.S. (see here). Lawn pesticides probably belong on that list.

The fatalistic attitude about technology being conveneint but fatal is startling. That logic basically says, "I don't care if having my shiny new x kills me, I just want it to give me whatever I want right now--and I could care less if it also kills innocent bystanders or damages people in the future. Just so long as I get what I want." And you're putting the eDGe, which we've established emits much less radiation than a typical cell phone, into the same category as known carcinogens?

New, convenient technologies don't have to be deadly. If we're not overly concerned with our own personal convenience and insist that new technologies also be safe, we'll all be a lot better off. I have no desire to give up easy egg-cooking, but if teflon is toxic, we should push scientists to come up with something that isn't.

Oracle, I hope you're never diagnosed with cancer. But if you are, let me know. Since styrofoam will likely be banned in Chicago by then, I'll bring you a couple of packs of smokes, eggs fried in a teflon pan, and a bottle of uranium. ;-)

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Old 05-23-2010, 10:52 PM   #21
alefor
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I think if someone is worried about the level of radiation from any device, just dont use it. But such discussions are out of place here. Everything in life is a balance of risks and benefits. Be an adult, make up your own mind, and move on. The studies to date are very difficult to interpret. I dont think they will ever yield a clear-cut answer. Just anecdotally, the neurosurgeons I used to work with all used a Bluetooth headset. None of them would hold a cell phone to their ear. Thats not data, just their bias.
 
Old 05-24-2010, 01:05 PM   #22
NiaTrue
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Discussions about the eDGe aren't out of place on a forum for the eDGe. This thread began as a simple question asked out of curiosity, not fear or paranoia. I asked because I was CURIOUS how the eDGe’s emissions compared to those of a cell phone. The question was answered simply. End of discussion.

The conversation then went off on a tangent with talk of WiFi radiation, but that’s still relevant to a device that relies on WiFi to function fully. The discussion didn’t go completely off topic until the use of BPAs and other carcinogens was equated with using cell phones and other mobile devices. I think that’s silly, but that’s because (perhaps irrationally) I think the study in question came to the right conclusion even if it was methodologically flawed. I love my cell phone and my eDGe and I’m not giving up either one—though I might give up WiFi for 4G. J The neurosurgeons in alefor’s anecdote may be biased, but they’re also cautious, which isn’t unreasonable under the circumstances.

I prefer to think that when each person asked a question that took us off on a tangent, they asked because they genuinely wanted to know the answer. Some questions may have been meant to mock, but all in fun, even if in jest. That’s how adults discuss things. But what shouldn’t belong here, or anywhere for that matter, is being comfortable with telling people they can’t ask questions.
 
Old 05-24-2010, 01:23 PM   #23
Snow
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We certainly encourage everyone to ask questions! Please be courteous to others per Forum Rules. Thanks!
 
Old 05-24-2010, 06:58 PM   #24
vicinc
Edge User
 
the neurosurgeons need their hands empty, so this is why they use BT...
 
Old 05-24-2010, 07:30 PM   #25
NiaTrue
Edge User
 
Hahaha! I'd like to think they wouldn't take calls in the operating room. Texting/talking and brain surgery don't mix.
 
Old 05-24-2010, 09:50 PM   #26
vicinc
Edge User
 
It was a joke. Probably British irony is difficult to detect on the other side of the ocean...
 
Old 05-24-2010, 10:03 PM   #27
alefor
Edge User
 
Just to clarify, the neurosurgeons dont wear headsets in the OR. But when I talked to them, they all were skittish about cell phones next to the brain. Thats why they wear headsets. The problem is that there is no (and probably never will be any) good data about the real effects of cell phones on brain tumorigenesis.

Regarding my comment about a discussion being out of place, people need to lighten up. The was nothing discourteous said.
 
Old 05-24-2010, 10:11 PM   #28
borisb
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I think the discussion to date in this thread has been civil and quite representative of the opinions among the general population
 
Old 05-24-2010, 10:17 PM   #29
dontpanic
Edge User
 
I am happy to report that radiation burns will be reduced by up to 45% with the most recent software upgrade.

Kidding! So far there have been no reports of radiation burns.

DP
 
Old 05-24-2010, 10:31 PM   #30
OracleFromChicago
Edge User
 
I guess I am guilty of taking this topic off tangent. But I wanted to make a point that there are certain risks that you take on when enjoying fruits of modern science. And you may not know what you are exposed to until many years later. And even then, it is awfully hard to give up certain things. It doesn't hurt to think about those things once a while. By the way, BT signal is narrow but it can be quite strong. Those neurosurgeons should use wired headphones.
 
 

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