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Old 05-31-2011, 04:31 PM   #31
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Maybe they should just give them away for free.
No maybe about it, that's what needs to be done. The potential for infinite access to all texts and its possible effects on the future of the species is too great to lay in the hands of a few individual publishers.
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Old 05-31-2011, 09:50 PM   #32
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For me books of all kinds are like any other product I buy. I don't have to buy any product if I judge it the price be higher that I put it's value to me. If beef is too expensive I can buy pork, chicken or fish. The same with books; just because I want it doesn't mean a publishing house or an indie author has to put the price low enough to entice me. If it sells at a price reasonable to others but too high for me that's as it should be. If the books doesn't sell at a higher price it will drop according to supply and demand. The market does and will set the price.
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Old 06-01-2011, 10:28 PM   #33
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Oh, that was subtle.

"They're not all expensive... take my book for example."
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Old 06-01-2011, 10:38 PM   #34
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Oh, that was subtle.

"They're not all expensive... take my book for example."
True, but at least this instance of misplaced self-promotion was actually relevant to the topic. Usually it's more like:

"I'm looking for inspirational romance."
"Oh, awesome! I wrote this great apocalyptic thriller with hawt androids! Check it out! It's getting great reviews on robotlovin.com!"
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For me, the frustration isn't the absolute cost of the books. It's the price fixing that I find objectionable. I get emails almost daily with discounts and coupons and other incentives for printed books. I used to get those same sorts of deals for ebooks. Now the sellers aren't allowed to discount ebooks, but the publishers still apparently have no problem with all sorts of discounts for paper. I truly don't understand why the difference! Had the publishers done something "half way" like not allowing NYT bestsellers to sell for less than $XXX, or not allowing discounts for XX amount of time after an ebook was published, I'd have been OK with that. I've never been one who "had to" have the latest book in any format. But to simply disallow the same sorts of discounts or frequent buyer rewards that are allowed for paper just makes no sense to me.
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Old 06-01-2011, 10:48 PM   #36
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True, but at least this instance of misplaced self-promotion was actually relevant to the topic. Usually it's more like:

"I'm looking for inspirational romance."
"Oh, awesome! I wrote this great apocalyptic thriller with hawt androids! Check it out! It's getting great reviews on robotlovin.com!"
Well, hawt android lovin=romance, getting great reviews=inspirational, yet when you put them together it does not quite add up to what the hypothetical OP is asking for.

But if you tilt your head sideways and squint like someone's shining one of those pocket laser pointers into your eyes and you really wish you had telekinetic head-exploding powers like a David Cronenberg film so you could make them stop, you can kind of see where the hypothetical self-promoter's "reasoning" is coming from.
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Old 06-02-2011, 12:49 PM   #37
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Funny! I am not brave enought to check if "robotlovin" is a real site.
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Old 06-02-2011, 01:09 PM   #38
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Funny! I am not brave enought to check if "robotlovin" is a real site.
Just use whois:

Whois Server Version 2.0

Domain names in the .com and .net domains can now be registered
with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net
for detailed information.

Domain Name: ROBOTLOVIN.COM
Registrar: GODADDY.COM, INC.
Whois Server: whois.godaddy.com
Referral URL: http://registrar.godaddy.com
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Updated Date: 16-jul-2010
Creation Date: 01-jun-2000
Expiration Date: 25-jul-2011


There you go - somebody has had it for 11 years now.

But if you think I'm going to type http://www.robotlovin.com into my browser you're crazy.
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Old 06-02-2011, 01:24 PM   #39
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No maybe about it, that's what needs to be done. The potential for infinite access to all texts and its possible effects on the future of the species is too great to lay in the hands of a few individual publishers.
If everything is to be free, what incentive would there be to create new works? As things stand, people are able to create and have their work support themselves and their family. If they had no possibility of income, they would not be able to support themselves and would have to find alternative forms of work. Even if they did it for the pure enjoyment of it, they still would not have the means of sharing it with the world at large, since that still costs plus the companies that would ordinarily be there to provide services to share it would no longer be existing since they couldn't generate profit and couldn't afford to keep running while doing that type of work.
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Robotlovin.com doesn't resolve, can't pull up a server.
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Just use whois:

Whois Server Version 2.0

Domain names in the .com and .net domains can now be registered
with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net
for detailed information.

Domain Name: ROBOTLOVIN.COM
Registrar: GODADDY.COM, INC.
Whois Server: whois.godaddy.com
Referral URL: http://registrar.godaddy.com
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Updated Date: 16-jul-2010
Creation Date: 01-jun-2000
Expiration Date: 25-jul-2011


There you go - somebody has had it for 11 years now.

But if you think I'm going to type http://www.robotlovin.com into my browser you're crazy.
Chicken. It seems to be in the void at the moment. I'm guessing its last known server is inactive or it's in limbo until it gets a new one. I really just pulled it out of my... er, hat earlier.
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Robotlovin.com doesn't resolve, can't pull up a server.
Haha! I knew I couldn't be the only one that just had to go check it out.
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Common sense on this must have vast misperceptions. Paper books have the following costs: printing, boxing, shipping, storage, shelf space, all per book. Ebooks have none of those overhead prices. Electronic shipment via internet cannot compare to the creation and handling of paper books. So I have a hard time understanding where only 10% of the costs are related to printing on paper.

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But you left out digital distribution requires computers.
THEN larger servers to keep the data THEN the employees to operate said computers and servers.
THEN the publishers need to have strong monitored security for said systems and the security technicians wich all cost big bucks.
THEN they have to pay for powerfull internet access wich will cost said publisher alot of money per month because they cant get bye on a dsl line.
THEN they have to pay for the employees who have to distribute it to various e-retailers. None of these count for electricity employee insurence/retirement or taxes.

Im not saying its more expensive but im tired of everyone on the internet thinking everything is just cheap digital content out of thin air with little or no overhead at all and think that its all needs to be free or dirt cheap.

Your little digital book took many expensive steps to get to your ereading device
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But you left out digital distribution requires computers.
This is ridiculous. Are you seriously suggesting that hosting a simple file in the cloud somewhere is comparable to the whole business of printing, shipping and warehousing regular books?
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But you left out digital distribution requires computers.
THEN larger servers to keep the data THEN the employees to operate said computers and servers.
THEN the publishers need to have strong monitored security for said systems and the security technicians wich all cost big bucks.
THEN they have to pay for powerfull internet access wich will cost said publisher alot of money per month because they cant get bye on a dsl line.
THEN they have to pay for the employees who have to distribute it to various e-retailers. None of these count for electricity employee insurence/retirement or taxes.

Im not saying its more expensive but im tired of everyone on the internet thinking everything is just cheap digital content out of thin air with little or no overhead at all and think that its all needs to be free or dirt cheap.

Your little digital book took many expensive steps to get to your ereading device
Yes, but the steps cost less when you spread it out. With each paperbook, there is only so many they can ship on each truck, where as with stuff over an internet connection, things travel so much faster, and they can get far more books transferred in the amount of time that it takes one truckload to reach its destination.

Plus, most publishers don't host the books themselves, just like they don't sell the books directly themselves. They leave it to the retailers, who must bear most of the costs you mention, yet those retailers are not the ones who set the cost anymore.
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