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Old 05-23-2011, 05:28 PM   #31
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I'm actually sticking with the ads aside from a little experimentation here and there, but I didn't sign a contract of anything (actually, I got it as a gift but I'm still going to refer as buying below).

I err on the side of "I own the hardware, I do as I see fit". too much of HARDWARE is falling into the "rental" model. I don't believe you enter into a HARDWARE agreement/contract simply by buying hardware.

Sorry, I OWN my Kindle. It's no different than avoiding commercials on TV, or skipping commercials/trailers on DVDs, or running an ad-blocker on websites.

I do acknowledge though that they are more or less within their rights to cut off access to the Kindle Store from KSOs which block the ads and void the warranty. Those are related to the terms of SERVICE. Emphasis on SERVICE.

There is no Terms of HARDWARE. The hardware is MINE, I do NOT believe that I entered into any agreement SIMPLY BY BUYING HARDWARE.

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Old 05-23-2011, 06:02 PM   #32
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Honestly, I don't think it's any more unethical than doing what I do with most ads: ignore them.

The point of ads is to get people to buy things. Someone who goes out of his way to avoid looking at your ads is unlikely to buy your product. Just chalk it up as a non sale and move on.

I think Amazon should let regular kindle users opt IN. Some people want the special offers and don't mind looking at ads.
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Old 05-23-2011, 06:10 PM   #33
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I actually think Amazon should put some serious effort into delivering ads that are interesting and pleasing to the eye. I am seriously disappointed to be staring at a bottle of "Oil of Olay" alternating with credit card pitches, and now wish I'd coughed the $25 to be rid of the ads - but only if I could run my own screensavers, which apparently requires the JB. And it seems no one has cracked 3.2.1 yet.
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Old 05-23-2011, 07:24 PM   #34
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I am seriously disappointed to be staring at a bottle of "Oil of Olay" alternating with credit card pitches
I agree-- I don't really mind ads on principle but I would love to be able to dismiss ads I am not interested in, like a thumbs down in pandora.
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Old 05-23-2011, 07:47 PM   #35
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I actually think Amazon should put some serious effort into delivering ads that are interesting and pleasing to the eye. I am seriously disappointed to be staring at a bottle of "Oil of Olay" alternating with credit card pitches, and now wish I'd coughed the $25 to be rid of the ads - but only if I could run my own screensavers, which apparently requires the JB. And it seems no one has cracked 3.2.1 yet.
Amazon last week released their AdMash program for Kindle. Running the program basically shows you two different versions of an ad for the same product and lets you choose which of the two you like more or if you don't like either one. Not only does it give you some input into the ads which Amazon might deploy to the Kindle in the future, it gives you some clues as to what some of the future 'special offers' might be. I think to your first point, they are at least making an effort into showing users ads that they might like.

Here is the page at Amazon for the program: http://www.amazon.com/Amazon-AdMash/...6190700&sr=8-1
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Old 05-23-2011, 07:53 PM   #36
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I actually think Amazon should put some serious effort into delivering ads that are interesting and pleasing to the eye. I am seriously disappointed to be staring at a bottle of "Oil of Olay" alternating with credit card pitches, and now wish I'd coughed the $25 to be rid of the ads - but only if I could run my own screensavers, which apparently requires the JB. And it seems no one has cracked 3.2.1 yet.
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I agree-- I don't really mind ads on principle but I would love to be able to dismiss ads I am not interested in, like a thumbs down in pandora.
Do what I do - don't look at them
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Old 05-23-2011, 08:43 PM   #37
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duh! i was so focused asking someone who had one and had photographed their own kso i neglected to even think of google images.

i've never encountered 'YW' before, but then i text very infrequently and don't have a smartphone.

another question, it appears (deducing from info on the photo) that probably the statement that 'there's a small banner on the bottom of the home page' is accurate and the subsequent pages have the usual 10 listed items per page rather than the 9 items plus the banner on page 1, am i correct?

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I never photograph my devices because there's a ton of pics already on Google Images.

9 + ad banner on the home page. Don't know about subsequent pages, because I rarely let my downloads get to page 2.
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Old 05-23-2011, 10:36 PM   #38
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I suggest that everybody just chill on the ethical question. Amazon sells these knowing that the clickthrough rate will be low and that a certain number of people will reconfigure ('hack') them to skip the ads.

If I skip TV commercials, have I behaved unethicially?
I think the question of ad removal will become more prevalent as we move into the new era.

Consider this, the Firefox web browser is used by about 20% of those who use browsers. Firefox is made by the Mozilla Foundation, a non-profit organization that promotes openness, innovation and participation on the Internet. If the next version of Firefox were to come preinstalled with adblock plus, what do you think would happen?
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Old 05-24-2011, 12:16 AM   #39
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The future of advertising has to be about making ads that are entertaining, and run for short periods of time, so people will watch by choice -and about replacing 'ads' per se with product placements, which is more insidious - and about placing ads in locations where they can't be easily skipped or avoided.

The implications for eBooks are obvious. Most people (myself included) feel that current eBook prices are very high. Would we accept eBooks containing ads, if the price was greatly reduced? In some cases, maybe yes. I'm sure Amazon sees the KSO as just a test marketing study of a vast potential market.

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Consider this, the Firefox web browser is used by about 20% of those who use browsers.
You forgot about Chrome which has two major ad-blockers currently (extension) and a lot of users.

I personal use both firefox and Chrome, and with these extensions you can basically choose which site to support by ads. That's real power in the head of the user. Besides I like a clean internet and the fact that sites loads quicker without them. Video ads are harder to block, but I rarely get any, still - to an extend it might be geolocation related, though.

I actually like ads when I'm not forced upen them at every turn I take - and to be able to enable them if I want to support specific site.

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I think the question of ad removal will become more prevalent as we move into the new era.

Consider this, the Firefox web browser is used by about 20% of those who use browsers. Firefox is made by the Mozilla Foundation, a non-profit organization that promotes openness, innovation and participation on the Internet. If the next version of Firefox were to come preinstalled with adblock plus, what do you think would happen?
And of course the nonprofit Mozilla foundation is funded with over $70 million per year from google for making google the default browser. So you see an "ad" for google every time you launch Ff unless you change the default startup page.
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I have ordered a replacement Kindle 3 Wifi as my device started to fail. Amazon shipped me a KSO on 3.2.1, I was disappointed to see the ads on my home page and I am determined to remove them.
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I have ordered a replacement Kindle 3 Wifi as my device started to fail. Amazon shipped me a KSO on 3.2.1, I was disappointed to see the ads on my home page and I am determined to remove them.
You should definitely call customer service and iron that out. If they won't send you anything but a KSO to replace a standard K3, that should be grounds for a refund.

Minus 5 stars for them if that's what the policy is now.
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Old 05-24-2011, 04:36 PM   #45
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???

I don't install flash browser plugins and I keep javascript off. I don't have to do anything at all to not get video ads, much less anything hard.
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