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Old 04-24-2011, 11:31 PM   #46
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Please explain how it works really well now. We had a good subscription that worked. People got it in the format of their choice.

Now we'll have it just at Amazon in one format that not everyone wants.
Stop it.

Kindle formatted writings can be read on almost any electronic device. You don't need Kindle hardware.
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Old 04-24-2011, 11:41 PM   #47
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Stop it.

Kindle formatted writings can be read on almost any electronic device. You don't need Kindle hardware.
I don't have a portable device I enjoy reading with other then my 650. How can I read Kindle eBooks on it? I don't see it in the Amazon list.

And what should I stop? You said it works well now. It doesn't work well.

ePub works the same if not better (given your convoluted scenario or working well). iOS, Windows, Macintosh, Android, Sony, B&N, Pocketbook, and others.

Face it, your solution is no solution at all for a lot of people.
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Old 04-24-2011, 11:44 PM   #48
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I don't have a portable device I enjoy reading with other then my 650.
And thats the rub.

Among F&SF readers, you are almost certainly in the minority. Way in the minority.

Did you subscribe before, or are you just protesting on general principle?
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Old 04-24-2011, 11:45 PM   #49
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It cannot be read on my preferred range of reading devices because it uses a proprietary DRM'd format. I know there are ways around this but that is not the point, It shouldn't be necessary to slyly encourage people to break the law just to read a book/magazine. Ebooks should make reading easier but instead we are ending up reducing access to reading material... at least with paper, all books in a given language were accessible to any reader of that language... currently a series of backwards steps with the format hassles...


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Old 04-24-2011, 11:47 PM   #50
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Your opinion... currently all the F&SF readers I know use Sony readers... and I know a lot of SF&F readers, having run a specialist B&M shop for a number of years and being associated with much of fandom...


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And thats the rub.

Among F&SF readers, you are almost certainly in the minority. Way in the minority.

Did you subscribe before, or are you just protesting on general principle?

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Old 04-24-2011, 11:49 PM   #51
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Your opinion... currently all the F&SF readers I know use Sony readers.
They've got options...thats all I'm saying.
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Old 04-25-2011, 12:49 AM   #52
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Your opinion... currently all the F&SF readers I know use Sony readers... and I know a lot of SF&F readers, having run a specialist B&N shop for a number of years and being associated with much of fandom...
I had a subscription to F&SF at Fictionwise, and I was able to read the non-DRM ePub edition on my Nook just fine. If Amazon sells a non-DRM Kindle edition, I can convert it to my Nook, but I consider it a sub-optimal buying experience.
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Old 04-25-2011, 07:56 AM   #53
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And thats the rub.

Among F&SF readers, you are almost certainly in the minority. Way in the minority.

Did you subscribe before, or are you just protesting on general principle?
I didn't subscribe before (but have been considering it) and have a variety of devices but still this is a dumb move for the reasons I previously stated.
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Old 04-25-2011, 07:58 AM   #54
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They've got options...thats all I'm saying.
No they don't, this is a step backwards.

You are wrong again.
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Old 04-25-2011, 01:10 PM   #55
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Limiting themselves to only one provider does not sound like a good idea. And it's hard for me to imagine that Amazon would pay much of a premium to have a F&SF exclusive - it's not like they are going to be the next Amanda Hocking.

However, it is quite relevant that their current strategy seems to be failing - since they are not succeeding with un-drm'd multiformat subscriptions, maybe trying exclusivity seemed to be the only viable option, as they know that they will fail if they continue to do what they are doing.

Or does Amazon pay more for subscriptions than other providers? I.e., could it be the case that there is no exclusive deal with Amazon, but that F&SF have just chosen, for now, to just work with Amazon because they will somehow make more money that way.
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Or does Amazon pay more for subscriptions than other providers? I.e., could it be the case that there is no exclusive deal with Amazon, but that F&SF have just chosen, for now, to just work with Amazon because they will somehow make more money that way.
That's exactly what I think is going on. Except change "make more money that way" to "cost less money that way"
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No they don't
Yes, they do. On their PC, on their phone, on their tablet.

I won't play your silly game of semantics.

Those are options.
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You are the one playing games....as you always do.

Everyone here has told you exactly how wrong you are yet you keep claiming it is a good thing.
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I finally get it, you guys are auditioning for Jerry Springer!! Who is gonna come out first? Otherwise get a freaking room and bang a couple out and get it over with already!!

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I finally get it, you guys are auditioning for Jerry Springer!!
If he'd just come clean about his identity and change his avatar to Luke, or Han or Jar Jar you'd understand the underlying source of all of our tension.

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