Register Guidelines E-Books Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Go Back   MobileRead Forums > E-Book Readers > Which one should I buy?

Notices

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 02-16-2011, 06:57 PM   #1
derangedhermit
Addict
derangedhermit ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.derangedhermit ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.derangedhermit ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.derangedhermit ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.derangedhermit ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.derangedhermit ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.derangedhermit ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.derangedhermit ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.derangedhermit ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.derangedhermit ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.derangedhermit ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Posts: 233
Karma: 1262174
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: USA
Device: None
EPUB3 reader?

12345

Last edited by derangedhermit; 11-12-2013 at 03:02 PM.
derangedhermit is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-16-2011, 06:59 PM   #2
MrPLD
Author's pet-geek
MrPLD ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.MrPLD ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.MrPLD ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.MrPLD ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.MrPLD ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.MrPLD ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.MrPLD ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.MrPLD ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.MrPLD ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.MrPLD ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.MrPLD ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
MrPLD's Avatar
 
Posts: 912
Karma: 1040670
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: North Queensland, Australia
Device: Kindle 3 Wifi
You might find that they update the firmware to support "select" parts of the EPUB3 standard. No doubt it'll be messy for a while yet if they've bought in more sophisticated media handling and such.

Paul.
MrPLD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-16-2011, 07:02 PM   #3
JSWolf
Resident Curmudgeon
JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
JSWolf's Avatar
 
Posts: 35,976
Karma: 17083916
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts
Device: Sony Reader PRS-650, iPad, nook STR
The problem is going to be that ePub3 will not catch on until enough devices have had their ADE updated as you'll find for not that publishers will use the least common denominator in terms of ePub versions.
JSWolf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-16-2011, 07:31 PM   #4
Rizla
Wizard
Rizla ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Rizla ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Rizla ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Rizla ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Rizla ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Rizla ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Rizla ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Rizla ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Rizla ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Rizla ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Rizla ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Rizla's Avatar
 
Posts: 1,644
Karma: 3855555
Join Date: Nov 2010
Device: PRS-650 / Cybook Opus / Nook STR (rooted)
Quote:
Originally Posted by derangedhermit View Post
I'd rather not buy a new reader unless it can support EPUB3.
Apparently it will be backward compatible, meaning your Epub capable reader will be able to read the new format, but will ignore the new features.

Epub3 improves language support (for characters different from Western characters), accessibility for the visually impaired (Daisy) and increased multimedia.

Needing none of the above, I'll stick with Epub.
Rizla is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-16-2011, 09:16 PM   #5
derangedhermit
Addict
derangedhermit ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.derangedhermit ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.derangedhermit ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.derangedhermit ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.derangedhermit ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.derangedhermit ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.derangedhermit ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.derangedhermit ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.derangedhermit ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.derangedhermit ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.derangedhermit ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Posts: 233
Karma: 1262174
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: USA
Device: None
Yes, who knows when ADE will support EPUB3 and to what degree? And also, if the device makers will issue firmware updates to existing customers if they do? I don't even know if it is possible - it may be that an XHTML5 "user agent" takes much more horsepower than XHTML 1.x, so it can't be retrofitted.

Why EPUB3? Because it is much closer to current web technologies, and so the creation tools will be better, and the capabilities more sophisticated for text layout, embedded fonts, and other stuff (CSS2.1 vs CSS2, etc - I haven't read the spec yet).

I guess what I am looking for is an open e-ink device that the owner can update the software, and has enough power today to run, say, an existing web browser - Chrome or Firefox. That should be good enough. Does such a critter exist? Maybe an Android device? ADE is out, as a personal choice to not be completely dependent on Adobe.
derangedhermit is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2011, 02:27 AM   #6
carmelra
Zealot
carmelra shares his or her toyscarmelra shares his or her toyscarmelra shares his or her toyscarmelra shares his or her toyscarmelra shares his or her toyscarmelra shares his or her toyscarmelra shares his or her toyscarmelra shares his or her toyscarmelra shares his or her toyscarmelra shares his or her toyscarmelra shares his or her toys
 
Posts: 106
Karma: 5742
Join Date: May 2009
Device: iPhone
EPUB3 is great, I guess...
However, I don't see much value in providing new features to the standard as the current EPUB is not fully supported by the various Reading Systems.

There is epupcheck that verify if an epub file match the standard but there is no tool that check the Reading Systems. Today, every such device/application claims to "support EPUB" although this support might be very partial.
carmelra is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2011, 05:07 AM   #7
Terisa de morgan
Wizard
Terisa de morgan ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Terisa de morgan ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Terisa de morgan ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Terisa de morgan ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Terisa de morgan ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Terisa de morgan ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Terisa de morgan ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Terisa de morgan ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Terisa de morgan ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Terisa de morgan ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Terisa de morgan ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Terisa de morgan's Avatar
 
Posts: 2,163
Karma: 1953054
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Madrid, Spain
Device: Kobo Mini, iPhone, iPad, Kobo Aura, Galaxy Tab3 8
One "strange" question? Does ePub3 include support for dictionaries?
Terisa de morgan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2011, 06:14 AM   #8
HarryT
eBook Enthusiast
HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
HarryT's Avatar
 
Posts: 62,108
Karma: 39287375
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: UK
Device: PW2, iPad Retina Mini, iPhone 4, MS Surface Pro, Onyx T68, N7,
Given that no current reader fully supports the current ePub reader, I really wouldn't hold my breath for support for a new standard. Silly to delay buying a device for it, though; especially for reading fiction, the current standard works just fine.
HarryT is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2011, 07:25 PM   #9
derangedhermit
Addict
derangedhermit ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.derangedhermit ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.derangedhermit ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.derangedhermit ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.derangedhermit ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.derangedhermit ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.derangedhermit ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.derangedhermit ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.derangedhermit ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.derangedhermit ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.derangedhermit ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Posts: 233
Karma: 1262174
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: USA
Device: None
@Terisa: I think having a dictionary is completely up to the user agent (the e-reader software). There are plug-in dictionaries for browsers today, even one for the OED. So I believe your could have a dictionary in either EPUB 2.1 or EPUB 3. It does seem that tentative support for CSS3 hypenation (word-break:hyphenate) is included in the spec. This would be a nice change.

@HarryT: First, thanks for the books you have uploaded here. I am enjoying the fruits of your labor. My belief (and hope) is that going to EPUB3 will mean that it becomes much more reasonable for browser makers to produce EPUB readers, since it is a matter of decontenting existing browsers (blocking/removing some features). This would be technically much easier than Adobe upgrading their current offering to full EPUB 3 support. I bet when Adobe do release a product, it will be built on current browser technology, not what they use today. It is either you or Jellby who now includes an index.html that lets you view a current epub in a browser - that shows how easily browsers can handle epubs already today.
derangedhermit is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2011, 07:36 PM   #10
derangedhermit
Addict
derangedhermit ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.derangedhermit ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.derangedhermit ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.derangedhermit ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.derangedhermit ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.derangedhermit ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.derangedhermit ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.derangedhermit ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.derangedhermit ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.derangedhermit ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.derangedhermit ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Posts: 233
Karma: 1262174
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: USA
Device: None
And, HarryT, I agree about most novels. But I was in a used bookstore today (selling some paper books as my family converts to ebooks). And I like photography, so I browsed that section. When an ebook can do justice to Ansel Adams, say "Our National Parks" or "Yosemite and the High Sierra", that will really be something.

EPUB3 includes a subset of MathML, so that helps in many areas where more science and math textbooks could be published in the format. It includes TTF and WOFF font embedding - WOFF support is nice since it is likely to lead to more widespread use of inexpensive fonts good for screen reading.

Is there any Android or *nix 7" tablet that has an e-ink screen?
derangedhermit is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-18-2011, 06:10 AM   #11
delphin
Evangelist
delphin ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.delphin ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.delphin ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.delphin ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.delphin ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.delphin ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.delphin ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.delphin ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.delphin ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.delphin ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.delphin ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Posts: 434
Karma: 346901
Join Date: Dec 2010
Device: SONY PRS-650
Funny to hear the mention of Yosemite - Just yesterday, I checked out an EPUB version of Fodor's "Yosemite, Sequoia & Kings Canyon" from my local library.

I agree that big glorious bound books are nicer for these kinds of books, but the above e-book doesn't look bad on my 20 inch PC monitor.

I suggest that you download Adobe Digital Editions and then check out some EPUB titles from your local library, so you can see the current state of EPUB publishing.

Complex math formulas aren't a problem, because they can be rendered using inserted image files, just as they often are on web pages.

The current EPUB standard already requires support for UTF-8/16, and you can embed whatever kind of Unicode fonts you require, so most international text should not be a problem.

An exception is that there is currently no support that I know of for languages that read right-to-left rather than the more common left-to-right.

For really complex formatting where EPUB is not sophisticated enough yet, PDF is still a good option, but EPUB does a pretty good job for most things, even now.

My one big complaint with the current EPUB reader implementations is the lack of 'fixed position' elements on nearly ALL current devices.

Fixed headers and footers are in the spec, but no one seems to support even this minimal level because the oeb-page-head and oeb-page-foot tags are totally ignored by every reader that I have checked them on.

I understand that Sony and some other EPUB readers using embedded versions of Adobe's ADE can use a custom Adobe hacked headers, but using nonstandard tags seems like a poor substitute for complying with the spec.

So, as has been already said, I wouldn't worry too much about finding a EPUB 3 device.

If they can't even get really simple things like fixed headers and footers right, an EPUB 3 device would just have an even more impressive list of features THAT WOULDN'T BE IMPLEMENTED ANYWAY.
delphin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-20-2011, 10:33 AM   #12
carmelra
Zealot
carmelra shares his or her toyscarmelra shares his or her toyscarmelra shares his or her toyscarmelra shares his or her toyscarmelra shares his or her toyscarmelra shares his or her toyscarmelra shares his or her toyscarmelra shares his or her toyscarmelra shares his or her toyscarmelra shares his or her toyscarmelra shares his or her toys
 
Posts: 106
Karma: 5742
Join Date: May 2009
Device: iPhone
Quote:
Originally Posted by delphin View Post

An exception is that there is currently no support that I know of for languages that read right-to-left rather than the more common left-to-right.
The current EPUB 2.0.1 standard support it. I verified it with the EPUB conform group.
The problem is with many Reading systems.
carmelra is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-20-2011, 12:12 PM   #13
Terisa de morgan
Wizard
Terisa de morgan ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Terisa de morgan ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Terisa de morgan ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Terisa de morgan ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Terisa de morgan ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Terisa de morgan ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Terisa de morgan ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Terisa de morgan ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Terisa de morgan ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Terisa de morgan ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Terisa de morgan ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Terisa de morgan's Avatar
 
Posts: 2,163
Karma: 1953054
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Madrid, Spain
Device: Kobo Mini, iPhone, iPad, Kobo Aura, Galaxy Tab3 8
Quote:
Originally Posted by derangedhermit View Post
@Terisa: I think having a dictionary is completely up to the user agent (the e-reader software). There are plug-in dictionaries for browsers today, even one for the OED. So I believe your could have a dictionary in either EPUB 2.1 or EPUB 3.
But I would like to have a dictionary that I would be able to read in a Kobo or a Sony, not being tied to a vendor. A way to include a dictionary in the same way I do it in Mobipocket. I think that for that you have to have an spec for building the dictionary, I'm afraid. If there's a reason aside of this for not selling ePub dictionaries, please, explain me.
Terisa de morgan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-20-2011, 12:40 PM   #14
HarryT
eBook Enthusiast
HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HarryT ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
HarryT's Avatar
 
Posts: 62,108
Karma: 39287375
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: UK
Device: PW2, iPad Retina Mini, iPhone 4, MS Surface Pro, Onyx T68, N7,
Rightly or wrongly, dictionaries are considered to fall outside the current scope of ePub, and are left as a matter for the reading software. I completely agree that having "standard" ePub dictionaries, such as exist for Mobipocket, would be a major benefit.
HarryT is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-20-2011, 03:32 PM   #15
Terisa de morgan
Wizard
Terisa de morgan ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Terisa de morgan ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Terisa de morgan ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Terisa de morgan ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Terisa de morgan ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Terisa de morgan ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Terisa de morgan ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Terisa de morgan ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Terisa de morgan ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Terisa de morgan ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Terisa de morgan ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Terisa de morgan's Avatar
 
Posts: 2,163
Karma: 1953054
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Madrid, Spain
Device: Kobo Mini, iPhone, iPad, Kobo Aura, Galaxy Tab3 8
I was afraid so. Well, another proof that ePub forum is composed by software developers, not by readers (no harm intended, I'm a software developer).
Terisa de morgan is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Sony Reader Library Upgrade to 3.1 - Now Reader No Longer Syncs Franbo Sony Reader 14 02-22-2012 02:34 AM
Sony Reader PRS-300 Bundle - Reader, Clutch case & 4 ebooks for $199 Faenad Deals, Freebies, and Resources (No Self-Promotion) 1 10-07-2009 03:28 PM
Hi, new ebook reader and forum user but avid reader present dthstalker Introduce Yourself 4 06-13-2009 01:53 AM
iriver e-book reader powered by Adobe Reader LE, more photos Alexander Turcic News 14 06-13-2007 01:23 AM
Getting Title & Author Displayed by Connect Reader and Sony Reader Vienna01 Sony Reader 3 11-07-2006 12:56 AM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:59 AM.


MobileRead.com is a privately owned, operated and funded community.