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Old 01-05-2011, 11:44 PM   #31
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So you were successful at rooting your NC, then resetting to factory, and then returning it.......There's been quite a debate about the ability to return after rooting..... Where's RockdaMan when you need him
Did you return it to Barnes and Noble, or somewhere else?
Barnes & Noble. Course it helped that the salesman there also rooted his and in his opinion, B&N didn't mind the hacking as long as it pushed sales. he asked me when I brought it in if i had already reset it or if he needed to show me how :P

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If only that were true. Please find below, a reprint from the days of Usenet circa 2001...

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The One True History of Meow

By The 2-Belo


The Meow Wars The largest flame war in Usenet history, involving hundreds of
people from over 80 newsgroups, lasting over forty-five weeks. It was the
Usenet equivalent of World War II. It was The Flamewar to End All Flamewars.

It was the best of times.The Meow Wars It all began innocently enough: a
small group of students at Harvard University - a band of future
bloodsucking ambulance-chasing lawyers, medical specialists who phone in
diagnoses from mobile phones on yachts, and caffeine-crazed computer
programmers with way too much time on their hands - began to use Usenet as a
local dorm room bulletin board/gossip clique area.

The newsgroup they chose, apparently at random from among the hundreds of
empty Usenet joke-newsgroup wastelands: alt.fan.karl-malden.nose. [The
circumstances surrounding the birth of this newsgroup can now be told,
thanks to the location of the original newgroup control message.]

This small group of posters set up their little regime in this forgotten
newsgroup, posting daily schedules and post count summaries, talking about
this class and that event and this and that and the other. Eventually, they
tired of posting articles about their immensely boring daily lives, so they
turned their attention to the computer network world around them. First they
tried their hand at penny-ante crossposting, branching out to claim other
empty newsgroups, such as alt.fan.ok-soda and alt.fan.pooh. This soon grew
stale as well, as each poster moved into a new group only to find the same
bored people he/she left behind.

Apparently as a result of the Ivy-League uppity belief that all the world
should be like them (and also as a result of trying to avoid studying for
exams), one of the posters suggested that they “invade” a real, populated
newsgroup and “rile up the stupid people”. When Matt Bruce, another of the
Harvard band, heard this, he wrote this response:

“I suggest that we start either posting or crossposting to
alt.tv.beavis-n-butthead. I also suggest that we use big words and perfect
grammar, and refuse to write as the young ruffians in question speak.”

“This could lead to some interesting ‘dialogue.’ “

This article was posted directly to alt.tv.beavis-n-butthead. The regulars
at that group, wondering what the world was coming to, scoffed at the notion
of a couple of stuck-up geeks from Harvard calling them “ruffians”, and a
few unpleasantries were exchanged. This crosspost-tossing attracted the
attention of an unknown poster going by the name of Dontonio Wingfield.
He/she discovered that one of the Harvard posters, Chuck Truesdell, placed
“meow meow” (a reference to Henrietta Pussycat of Mr. Roger's Neighborhood
fame) in many of his posts as a sort of calling card, as his initials spell
“C.A.T.”. Matt Bruce picked up on this practice for one post (the quote at
the top of this page), and someone, for some reason, took that article out
of afk-mn, crossposting it to a dozen newsgroups as a troll against the
“Nosers” (as the Harvard students called themselves). Dontonio Wingfield
either instigated this troll, or was the first to reply to it:

“What the hell is this shite? Would you mind keeping it the hell out of
HERE?”

The Dontonio Wingfield persona then, of course, vanished. The posters in the
targeted groups, noting the “meow meow” elements, began to retaliate against
the supposed original crossposter, Matt Bruce. These posters entered the
'Nose and found it full of other Harvard students like Matt, and the
counter-invaders flamed and spewed “meow” with vigor, In time, flames
containing the word “meow” would start popping up all over the place, aimed
mostly at areas where the high-class uppity Ivy-League snots were known to
congregate, such as alt.college.college-bowl. Other flames targeted snobbish
college kids who regularly huffed their freckled noses in newsgroups such as
alt.music.nin. Some of the more daring souls decided to forge articles in
Bruce's name, spreading the “meow” attacks to more and more groups,
including afk-mn, to add to the onslaught against him and his
“intellectually elite” cohorts.

When the real Matt Bruce caught wind of the uproar, he and the other Harvard
students first tried to write his attack on atbnb as a "joke". When no one
bought his story, he attempted more forcefully to get the attackers to stop,
which only sounded like more condescending talk:

“Please stop. Cease and desist. You are only making yourselves look silly.”

When this only fanned the flames further, he threatened to cancel all
articles containing the word “meow”, and to netcop all the “meow” article
forgers. This “Cancellation Notice”, posted about a month and a half after
the first “meow” troll, was apparently the proverbial last straw. A person
crossposting into 12 newsgroups, then claiming it a “joke”, when he
obviously had no sense of humor? This pissed off the Usenet Performance
Artists to no end. it was time to teach Matt Bruce - and the rest of his
gang of snots - a lesson. Suddenly, afk-mn, alt.college.college-bowl, and
scores of other groups were flooded to the gills and beyond with hundreds
upon hundreds of huge meow articles from all corners of Usenet. Cascades,
ASCII cats, hundred-line “meow” hello-world-type flood posts, and more were
posted, reposted, munged, pureed, and regurgitated all over the servers of
the world. The Harvard kids' protests were quickly lost in the feline tidal
wave. Every post by a Harvard snot would result in fifty cascade follow-ups.
alt.college.college-bowl, a known regular haunt of Matt Bruce, was reduced
to a smoldering crater, so inundated with meows that its regulars could no
longer use it. After a couple of weeks of this, Usenet in general looked
like Chernobyl, or the Marina district of San Francisco after the 1989
earthquake, or downtown Nagasaki the day after the fall of the Fat Man.

A number of the attackers, calling themselves the “MEOW MEOW ARMY”, were
bent on taking over afk-mn and occupying it as their own. It soon was - the
Harvard students, seeing a fire raging out of control in their cyber Dunster
House, were compelled to escape to a local, non-propagated newsgroup on a
Harvard server.The meow hurricane, however,simply refused to die:
alt.college.college-bowl continued to be attacked until almost a year after
Matt Bruce's now infamous post, and the Meowers now in afk-mn began to
redecorate their new home (with the legendary Fluffy, formerly Matt Bruce's
pet, claiming ownership of all of Usenet), merging with the verbal abuse
powerhouse known as the Mighty Alt Dot FlameTM.

Today, afk-mn remains as a sort of Usenet posting relay hub. The first- and
second- generation Meowers also became alt.flame regulars. Other bases of
Usenet Performance Art, such as alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk,
alt.non.sequitur, and alt.stupidity, long bases of Meow action, also traded
regulars with the Nose. These groups fused together to form what is now
known as the Empire of Meow.

This empire is still growing as you read this, as in 1998 the groups
alt.flame.niggers and demon.local were recently annexed much in the same
fashion as the 'Nose. There are hundreds of groups throughout the alt.*
heirarchy who have at least heard of the Meow movement... every so often, a
troll warning will be posted to these groups, sometimes even warning the
inhabitants about elements that the Empire has nothing to do with:

“You will be able to recognize a troll and an impending invasion from
alt.syntax.tactical by cascades, numerous appearances of the word ‘meow’,
and crossposts to alt.fan.karl-malden.nose...”

Also, throughout its lifetime, the actions of the Empire have seemingly
become a convenient scapegoat for real Usenet abuses. In February of 1997,
several inhabitants of the 'Nose were placed under a Usenet Death Penalty,
or UDP, for over a week by a certain self-made Usenet “spam canceller”. The
crime: cascades. Also, in 1998, Meow became the whipping boy for those
persons who wanted a UDP imposed on Altopia News Service, which many Meowers
use to post to Usenet, because of the few Altopia users who were committing
blatant acts of abuse such as mailbombing and post flooding. These accusers
were wont to include relatively harmless acts of off-topic crossposts and
cascades in with the real problems. Apparently, there will always be those,
like the Harvard kids, who will not tolerate the right that all Usenetters
have to act silly, or to have a sense of humor, or to have the view that
nothing should be taken too seriously. It should, however, be noted that
without the existence of tight-sphinctered conservative snots, there would
be no Meow in the first place. Hated or not, it would thus seem that the
phenomenon known as MEOW, and its practitioners known as MEOWERS, have
forever carved their place among the legends of Usenet, along with the likes
of Kibology and the first MMF chain letter. Clealy, sir, the Empire of
Meow's feline vocalizations will be heard forever more throughout Usenet
history.

Meow.
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And then he offered to do it for you
hey. I'm in my 40's pretty sure he didn't think I could do it all on my own. Me being a geriatric feeb and all. Course being that I probably own more domains than he visits in any given day and have been coding since the days of Apple II Assembler, i think i might be able to handle rooting a tablet.
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Settings and Options

Just in case some may not know about this, if you go into your profile settings and along the left hand side, Look under 'Settings and Options', you will see 'Edit Ignored Users'.

Could solve some issues with 'opinions' we don't want to read
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Just in case some may not know about this, if you go into your profile settings and along the left hand side, Look under 'Settings and Options', you will see 'Edit Ignored Users'.

Could solve some issues with 'opinions' we don't want to read
Thank you. This has been a learning experience for me. I'm used to being in the company of adults who know how to give and take as long as racial epithets and foul language aren't used.

After being reprimanded by the moderators, I've drawn a conclusion:

That fact that something is truthful doesn't make it acceptable.
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The sad thing here Scion, is that you wern't even rude to the guy, you just asked him to stay on topic and be helpful. There are always some who want to get their 'Post Count' up by typing in less than usefull information.
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The sad thing here Scion, is that you wern't even rude to the guy, you just asked him to stay on topic and be helpful. There are always some who want to get their 'Post Count' up by typing in less than usefull information.
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The sad thing here Scion, is that you wern't even rude to the guy, you just asked him to stay on topic and be helpful. There are always some who want to get their 'Post Count' up by typing in less than usefull information.

If I were in the wrong in this, I'm sure I would have been reprimanded too. She knows how to use the report button....believe me. She also knows how to play the victim for all it's worth.


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please read and note all who come across this thread. 1.) when you root your nook. it WILL load with a blank screen and it WILL sit there for a long time looking like it's stuck. 2.) following the directions to reset your nook WILL recover a misapplied root. be patient, follow all the steps. and hold the requisite buttons as long as you need to until the next expected action occurs. unlike other Android devices it's currently damn hard to brick your nook due to the way that the original rom is stored, and the updated ROM's are loaded. I have successfully come back from a botched root once, and restored back to factory once, on a Nook that i ended taking back due to QC issues with the screen. my second device was super easy to root having kept the imaged sd and remembering the steps.

I also botched a root job on my first NC and re-applied the root and it worked. Then I realized yesterday (thanks to these forums) that I was one of the "lucky" ones that got a NC with the sound issues after it goes to sleep. I reset my nook back to "factory setting" and luckily they didn't look too closely when they took it back.

Here are some things that didn't go away when I reset my NC back to factory:

Superuser app
NookColor Tools
mail
GMail
marketplace
calculator
Keyboard stayed modified from the original NC keyboard

I think that's it. The salesperson noticed the keyboard and luckily still helped me out. I was wondering if anyone else has run into this and if they have how they fixed it.

Sorry if there is a better place for this post....it's my first time posting in these forums

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You're going to have to do factory reset:

http://nookdevs.com/Flash_back_to_clean_stock_ROM

Take the card out and leave it out. You make matters worse when you go into panic mode and randomly do things.

Plug the unit in a wall outlet.
Wow...not sure how I missed this the first time through, but Thanks SCION....this is the information I have been looking for
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I also botched a root job on my first NC and re-applied the root and it worked. Then I realized yesterday (thanks to these forums) that I was one of the "lucky" ones that got a NC with the sound issues after it goes to sleep. I reset my nook back to "factory setting" and luckily they didn't look too closely when they took it back.

Here are some things that didn't go away when I reset my NC back to factory:

Superuser app
NookColor Tools
mail
GMail
marketplace
calculator
Keyboard stayed modified from the original NC keyboard

I think that's it. The salesperson noticed the keyboard and luckily still helped me out. I was wondering if anyone else has run into this and if they have how they fixed it.

Sorry if there is a better place for this post....it's my first time posting in these forums
Did you go through the "Erase & unregister" in the NC settings? I would think that would get at least most of those.
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Yes....I used the "power button + volume button + N button" method of resetting followed by an "Erase and unregister" , but those things still remained.

In fact, when I took it back the Nook rep at B&N called tech support and they had him reset it and he couldn't get it to work because he didn't know how (he wasn't holding all three buttons).

I didn't know about the 8-count reboot method that SCION mentioned earlier in the thread. I'm wondering now if that would have cleared everything off. I'm assuming it would since it "re-images" the /system partition.

I was hesitant to root my replacement because of this, but this puts my mind at ease a little more

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