Register Guidelines E-Books Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Go Back   MobileRead Forums > E-Book Formats > Workshop

Notices

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 12-18-2010, 11:34 PM   #1
Elfwreck
Grand Sorcerer
Elfwreck ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Elfwreck ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Elfwreck ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Elfwreck ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Elfwreck ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Elfwreck ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Elfwreck ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Elfwreck ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Elfwreck ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Elfwreck ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Elfwreck ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Elfwreck's Avatar
 
Posts: 5,140
Karma: 23571382
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: SF Bay Area, California, USA
Device: Clié; PRS-505; EZR Pocket Pro, PRS-600, Kobo Mini
Help wanted: file testing

I'm doing some testing for AO3, the Archive of Our Own fanfiction archive. They offer downloadable ebooks in mobi, epub, pdf and html. The epubs sometimes have problems, and I'd like a bit of help sorting out the details.

From what I can figure out, any story with an image link is unreadable on the Sony readers; the image link makes the software freeze up. I don't know if this is true on other types of readers, but people with different Sonys have confirmed the problem.

Am attaching samples. Warning: sample fanfic is "explicit crackfic." Actually reading the story is not recommended unless you are fascinated by the idea of Cthulhu/My Little Pony romance. ("Romance" is a euphemism.) Pictures, however, are entirely non-explicit. Potentially funny, if you like tentacles.

I've got 2 epubs & a mobi of the same story (one of mine, because those are the only ones I'm sure of permission to distribute); the "no imgs" epub I unzipped, removed the <img src="url"> link, and rezipped; I made no other changes. (I don't know how to change the metadata for the title from inside the file.)

When I opened the mobi on the Kindle for PC program, there were no pictures; I've no idea if there's some other conversion method that could allow them to be seen, or if mobi just has no way to connect its viewer to the web. (So, the pics might have to be embedded somehow to work, and that might not be possible for most images.)

I'd like to know:
1) Does the "imgs" epub work on other portable readers? Does it work on something with wifi that can access the internet to get the pictures?
2) Does the "no imgs" epub work on other readers? (It works fine on mine; it's included for comparison.)
3) Is there anything weird about the mobi? (Other than the contents, that is.)

The needing-brain-bleach shouldn't kick in during the first couple of paragraphs. The first picture is before the first paragraph of actual story, right after the headers/intro; reading more than that isn't necessary. (Is fine, if you'd like, but I'm not asking people to read my crackfic; I'm asking for formatting checks & advice.)

ETA: Original story is at http://archiveofourown.org/works/133797

Last edited by Elfwreck; 12-18-2010 at 11:35 PM. Reason: Add link to story
Elfwreck is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-18-2010, 11:53 PM   #2
daffy4u
I'm Super Kindle-icious
daffy4u ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.daffy4u ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.daffy4u ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.daffy4u ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.daffy4u ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.daffy4u ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.daffy4u ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.daffy4u ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.daffy4u ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.daffy4u ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.daffy4u ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
daffy4u's Avatar
 
Posts: 6,686
Karma: 2261817
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Long Drive, Calinadia Candafornia
Device: K1, KTSO, KFHD7, KPW1
I don't see the images on my K2. I do see them in the Calibre viewer. I see the same garbled word on both my Kindle and the Calibre viewer.

Quote:
THE STARS HAVE ALIGNÉD. WHO WAKETH ME FROM MY SLUMBER AND CALLETH ME FORTH FROM R'LYEH?
daffy4u is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Enthusiast
Old 12-18-2010, 11:58 PM   #3
Elfwreck
Grand Sorcerer
Elfwreck ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Elfwreck ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Elfwreck ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Elfwreck ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Elfwreck ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Elfwreck ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Elfwreck ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Elfwreck ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Elfwreck ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Elfwreck ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Elfwreck ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Elfwreck's Avatar
 
Posts: 5,140
Karma: 23571382
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: SF Bay Area, California, USA
Device: Clié; PRS-505; EZR Pocket Pro, PRS-600, Kobo Mini
Quote:
Originally Posted by daffy4u View Post
I don't see the images on my K2. I do see them in the Calibre viewer. I see the same garbled word on both my Kindle and the Calibre viewer.
The garbled word is ALIGNÉD. I'll send a note to AO3 that they've got UTF-8/Ascii conversion problems; I don't know the technical details well enough to say more than that.
Elfwreck is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-19-2010, 12:38 AM   #4
Nate the great
Sir Penguin of Edinburgh
Nate the great ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Nate the great ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Nate the great ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Nate the great ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Nate the great ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Nate the great ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Nate the great ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Nate the great ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Nate the great ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Nate the great ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Nate the great ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Nate the great's Avatar
 
Posts: 10,327
Karma: 2897207
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: DC Metro area
Device: Shake a stick plus 1
The Mobipocket format doesn't support active content like these images. It's never going to work.

As for the Epub version, I'm not seeing the images or the ascii conversion problem (NookStudy).
Nate the great is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-19-2010, 02:04 AM   #5
Elfwreck
Grand Sorcerer
Elfwreck ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Elfwreck ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Elfwreck ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Elfwreck ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Elfwreck ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Elfwreck ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Elfwreck ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Elfwreck ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Elfwreck ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Elfwreck ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Elfwreck ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Elfwreck's Avatar
 
Posts: 5,140
Karma: 23571382
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: SF Bay Area, California, USA
Device: Clié; PRS-505; EZR Pocket Pro, PRS-600, Kobo Mini
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nate the great View Post
The Mobipocket format doesn't support active content like these images. It's never going to work.
It doesn't need to support images; it needs to not crash because it doesn't support them. When I load the epub with images on my Sony Reader, the file crashes when I try to open it.

If mobi just doesn't support them, that's fine; I should let them know that the images don't come across right. It's possible that they can write some code in the future that will embed the images in the files, but I don't think that'll be a high priority.

Quote:
As for the Epub version, I'm not seeing the images or the ascii conversion problem (NookStudy).
Both the pics & no pics versions work okay? The <img> tag might be a specifically Sony problem. (I should find out what happens if I put the images on the same flash drive, and direct the URL there, instead of the web.)
Elfwreck is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-19-2010, 04:36 AM   #6
Jellby
frumious Bandersnatch
Jellby ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Jellby ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Jellby ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Jellby ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Jellby ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Jellby ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Jellby ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Jellby ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Jellby ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Jellby ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Jellby ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Jellby's Avatar
 
Posts: 5,792
Karma: 4027751
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Spaniard in Sweden
Device: Cybook Orizon
I haven't tried the files (yet), but if the problem is just image links (<a href="..."><img src="..." /></a>) I can tell you that:

Mobipocket supports them all right. They worked with my Cybook when I had a Mobi firmware, they work with the Kindle 3 last time I tried.

The Adobe engine seems to not support the link, but the image is shown OK (someone said that the link works if it's all wrapped in a <p>). The Cybook does not crash on these, but it crashes on large images sometimes.

EDIT: Well, I've downloaded the file and the issue is not image links, but external images (<img src="http://..." />), right? It won't work in my Gen3, but I'll tell you if it crashes when I try.

Last edited by Jellby; 12-19-2010 at 04:41 AM.
Jellby is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-19-2010, 07:36 AM   #7
Nate the great
Sir Penguin of Edinburgh
Nate the great ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Nate the great ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Nate the great ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Nate the great ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Nate the great ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Nate the great ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Nate the great ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Nate the great ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Nate the great ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Nate the great ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Nate the great ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Nate the great's Avatar
 
Posts: 10,327
Karma: 2897207
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: DC Metro area
Device: Shake a stick plus 1
Jelby, the image problem here isn't links. It's that the images aren't in the ebook. They're still on the website.
Nate the great is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-20-2010, 04:05 AM   #8
Elfwreck
Grand Sorcerer
Elfwreck ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Elfwreck ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Elfwreck ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Elfwreck ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Elfwreck ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Elfwreck ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Elfwreck ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Elfwreck ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Elfwreck ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Elfwreck ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Elfwreck ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Elfwreck's Avatar
 
Posts: 5,140
Karma: 23571382
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: SF Bay Area, California, USA
Device: Clié; PRS-505; EZR Pocket Pro, PRS-600, Kobo Mini
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jellby View Post
EDIT: Well, I've downloaded the file and the issue is not image links, but external images (<img src="http://..." />), right? It won't work in my Gen3, but I'll tell you if it crashes when I try.
I expected the problems would be with external images; don't know if they just won't show up, or will crash the software.

There's a potential they could embed the images in the ebooks, but for offsite images, that can run into copyright problems, and might have other issues--they're not likely to write code that can edit/resize the images to fit within the ebook limits, whatever those are.
Elfwreck is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-23-2010, 08:40 AM   #9
Jellby
frumious Bandersnatch
Jellby ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Jellby ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Jellby ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Jellby ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Jellby ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Jellby ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Jellby ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Jellby ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Jellby ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Jellby ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Jellby ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Jellby's Avatar
 
Posts: 5,792
Karma: 4027751
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Spaniard in Sweden
Device: Cybook Orizon
I've tried the files in my Gen3 (no Internet connection). The imgs version works fine, it doesn't crash the reader and instead of the images I get just some blank space.

But they don't pass the FlightCrew validation. The mimetype is not zipped first, and the DTD must be XHTML 1.1 (DTD is optional, anyway, but if present it must be correct).
Jellby is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
testing jomaweb Lounge 44 02-02-2010 02:15 PM
eReader file testing needed user_none Calibre 8 10-12-2009 02:28 AM
Testing a translation file Jellby Calibre 2 08-08-2009 04:43 AM
testing desertgrandma Lounge 8 07-08-2008 10:34 PM
Wanted: sample annotated eBookwise file nekokami Fictionwise eBookwise 5 12-19-2006 05:23 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:08 AM.


MobileRead.com is a privately owned, operated and funded community.