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Old 12-05-2010, 01:50 PM   #16
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Oui, mais là, Amazon, ou la FNAC si j'en crois ce que tu me dis, joue bien un rôle d'éditeur mais en allant chercher la "matière première" chez Gutemberg ou d'autres... Cela ne justifie certes pas de les pirater, mais franchement...
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Old 12-05-2010, 01:55 PM   #17
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Oui, mais là, Amazon, ou la FNAC si j'en crois ce que tu me dis, joue bien un rôle d'éditeur mais en allant chercher la "matière première" chez Gutemberg ou d'autres... Cela ne justifie certes pas de les pirater, mais franchement...
Faux. L'éditeur n'est pas Amazon ou la fnac, c'est quelqu'un qui est allé chercher le texte libre de droit sur Gutenberg et l'a remis en forme. Ce peut aussi être un éditeur qui a déjà une version papier et l'a numérisée et mise au format epub. Après, le travail de mise en forme est plus ou moins bon et plus ou moins cher payé, je ne dis pas que toutes les éditions se valent, mais payer 1 ou 2 euros pour un texte correctement vérifié et mis en page ne me semble pas excessif. Mais il vaut mieux faire son marché avec circonspection, je pense qu'il y a des petits malins qui ne s'embêtent pas trop
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Old 12-05-2010, 01:58 PM   #18
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Amazon avait eu des soucis, avec des petits malins qui avaient décidé de vendre 1984 alors qu'ils n'en avaient pas le droit. Quand Amazon s'en était rendu compte, quelqu'un chez eux avaient trouvé malin d'effacer les livres concernés directement sur les Kindle des acheteurs Parfois, je me demande si ça n'a pas été fait exprès (de choisir 1984) dans le but de tester la réaction d'Amazon
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Old 12-05-2010, 01:59 PM   #19
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Mouais... Enfin, je ne trouve pas cela très ragoûtant quand même...
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Old 12-05-2010, 02:09 PM   #20
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Une précision : les livres libres de droits vendus sur Amazon le sont généralement via leur système d'auto-publication. N'importe qui peut a priori ouvrir un compte chez eux et commencer à vendre. Je ne pense pas que ça marche comme ça à la FNAC, qui travaille avec des éditeurs. Il n'empêche que la FNAC vend des livres libres de droit, comme tous les libraires. Quand vous achetez Zola, Flaubert ou Balzac en livre de poche, vous pensez qu'ils perçoivent des droits d'auteur ?
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C'est vrai que je ne m'étais jamais posé la question ! Mais, naïvement, sans doute, je pensais qu'il existait des ayants droits quelques part...
Il n'y a pas une règle qui dit que c'est seulement après un certain nombre d'années sans parutions qu'un livre devient libre de droits . Je pensais qu'il suffisait aux ayants droits de faire paraître une édition de temps en temps pour garder la manne...
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C'est vrai que je ne m'étais jamais posé la question ! Mais, naïvement, sans doute, je pensais qu'il existait des ayants droits quelques part...
Il n'y a pas une règle qui dit que c'est seulement après un certain nombre d'années sans parutions qu'un livre devient libre de droits . Je pensais qu'il suffisait aux ayants droits de faire paraître une édition de temps en temps pour garder la manne...
En France et dans la plupart (tous ?) les pays d'Europe, une œuvre tombe dans le domaine public 70 ans après la mort de son auteur. Dans d'autres pays comme le Canada, la durée est seulement de 50 ans mais le principe est le même.

Aux Etats-Unis c'est beaucoup plus compliqué, et je n'essaierai pas de décrire la situation car je ne la connais pas vraiment, en gros si j'ai bien compris les œuvres récentes suivent plus ou moins la même logique que chez nous mais pour les plus anciennes il y avait une possibilité de renouveler le copyright, que les éditeurs n'exerçaient pas toujours.
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Old 12-05-2010, 02:29 PM   #23
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Merci ! J'ai appris au moins une chose aujourd'hui... Bonne journée, donc...
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Old 12-06-2010, 08:00 AM   #24
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Et pour info, a ma connaissance, Gutemberg n'interdit pas la vente de livres tiré de leur base, du moment que le nom Gutemberg n'est pas mis a contribution.
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Apparemment La Carte et le Territoire a été retiré par Florent Gallaire :
http://www.lexpansion.com/entreprise...et_243965.html
et aurait été mis en vente sous forme de livre électronique par Flammarion à un tarif inférieur de 30% à celui du livre papier sur une « plate-forme Eden » que je n'ai toutefois pas réussi à découvrir...
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http://www.lexpansion.com/entreprise...et_243965.html
et aurait été mis en vente sous forme de livre électronique par Flammarion à un tarif inférieur de 30% à celui du livre papier sur une « plate-forme Eden » que je n'ai toutefois pas réussi à découvrir...
Il me semble qu'il y a eu des messages ici sur cette plate-forme, je ne crois pas qu'elle soit accessible directement mais elle est utilisée par des boutiques de vente en ligne d'e-books. Malheureusement je ne sais pas lesquelles.
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En tous cas le livre est dispo à la fnac.
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De mémoire (mais je me trompe peut-etre) Eden est le "centre de partage" entre toutes les librairies, ie ce qui permet a epagine, fnac, numilog & co de partager leur catalogue
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Les livres vendus sur Amazon sont généralement à un prix très raisonnable
Le moins qu'on en puisse dire est que cette affirmation sidérante, mériterait d'être argumentée et non simplement affirmée.

J'ai dû acheter récemment un livre électronique à $22.53... par nécessité... je crois qu'on ne m'y reprendra jamais plus...

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Ici, pour le Houellebecq :
http://vitrine.edenlivres.fr/recherc...=1&per_page=10

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J'ai dû acheter récemment un livre électronique à $22.53... par nécessité... je crois qu'on ne m'y reprendra jamais plus...
La discussion portait sur les livres du domaine public vendus sur Amazon, et c'est de ceux-là que je parlais. Je n'ai pas fait d'enquête approfondie, mais il me semble qu'en général ils sont autour de $2, parfois jusqu'à $5. Je peux me tromper évidemment. Ce livre à $22,53 devait plutôt être une sortie récente, non ?

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