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Old 12-14-2009, 03:56 PM   #1
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Dostojewski, Fjodor Michailowitsch: Der Idiot, german V1 14.12.2009

Fjodor Michailowitsch Dostojewski ; * 30. Oktoberjul./ 11. November 1821greg. in Moskau; † 28. Januarjul./ 9. Februar 1881greg. in Sankt Petersburg) gilt als einer der bedeutendsten russischen Schriftsteller.
Fjodor Dostojewski war das zweite Kind von Michail Andrejewitsch Dostojewski und Maria Fjodorowna Netschajewa. Er hatte zwei Brüder und drei Schwestern (eine vierte Schwester starb kurz nach der Geburt). Die Familie entstammte verarmtem Adel; der Vater war Arzt. Nach dem Tod seiner Mutter 1837 ließ sich Dostojewski mit seinem Bruder Michail in St. Petersburg nieder, wo er von 1838 bis 1843 an der Militärakademie Bauingenieurwesen studierte. 1839 wurde sein Vater auf dem heimischen Landgut durch leibeigene Bauern ermordet.
Dostojewski war zweimal verheiratet. Seine erste Ehe mit der Witwe Maria Dmitrijewna Isajewa endete 1864 nach siebenjähriger Dauer mit dem Tod Marias und war kinderlos, jedoch hatte Maria aus erster Ehe einen Sohn (Pavel). Seine zweite Frau war Anna Grigorjewna Snitkina. Aus der am 15. Februar 1867 geschlossene Ehe, die bis zu Dostojewskis Tod hielt, gingen vier Kinder hervor, von denen jedoch nur zwei das Erwachsenenalter erreichten. Dostojewski begann 1844 mit den Arbeiten zu seinem 1846 veröffentlichten Erstlingswerk Arme Leute (Бедные люди). Mit dessen Erscheinen wurde er schlagartig berühmt; die zeitgenössische Kritik feierte ihn als Genie.

Der Idiot (russ. Идиот) gehört zu den fünf bekanntesten Romanen Fjodor Dostojewskis, die zur Weltliteratur gezählt werden. Er wurde von Dostojewski in Genf 1867 begonnen und in Mailand 1868 beendet und erschien von Januar 1868 bis Februar 1869 in der Zeitschrift Russkij Vestnik.
Titelheld des Romans ist der junge Fürst Myschkin, der nach einem Aufenthalt in einem Schweizer Sanatorium von seiner Epilepsie nicht ganz geheilt nach Russland zurückkehrt und in der Sankt Petersburger Gesellschaft in den Brennpunkt von Intrigen, Begehrlichkeiten, Vorurteilen und gesellschaftlichen Konventionen gerät. Seine Naivität, Offenheit, Ehrlichkeit und vorurteilslose Tugendhaftigkeit wird dabei aufs äusserste ausgenutzt und strapaziert und er kann dem Treiben nur wehrlos sein Ideal der gelebten Menschenliebe entgegensetzen. Als er dann noch zwischen zwei Frauen gleichzeitig gerät und sich nicht zu einer für die Gesellschaft anscheinend positiven Entscheidung durchringen kann, gerät er in einen Strudel aus Gewalt und innerer Zerrissenheit, die zu seiner geistigen Umnachtung führen.
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Old 04-25-2011, 10:15 AM   #2
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Ich habe diese gute Vorlage nochmal überarbeitet, Schriftgröße, Einschübe, Abstände unter Kapitelüberschriften.

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Old 11-22-2012, 04:59 AM   #3
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Ebook der Idiot

Hallo zusammen,

der Post ist zwar schon etwas älter, das Ebook aber immer noch online, deshalb von mir 2 Anmerkungen:

1. Der Idiot ist in Deutschland eigentlich noch urheberrechtlich geschützt. Wie es allerdings mit dieser Übersetzung aus weiss ich nicht.

2. Viel wichtiger aber eigentlich ist, dass diese Übersetzung meiner Meinung nach von niemanden gelesen werden sollte. Habe kurz mal reingeschaut und fand den Stil und die Wortwahl schauderhaft. Dabei geht fast alles von der Stimmung verloren.
Ich selber habe das Buch in der Übersetzung von Klara Brauner im Regal und war sehr zufrieden damit.
Hoch gelobt sind auch die Übersetzungen von Swetlana Geier oder E. K.
Rahsin, obwohl ich diese Versionen von dem Idiot nicht kenne und dazu nichts sagen kann.
Aber wer das Buch lesen will, die paar Euro für eine vernünftige Übersetzung lohnen sich allemal.

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Old 11-23-2012, 04:18 AM   #4
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Als durchaus regelmäßiger Leser des Feuilletons gehe ich davon aus, dass mir die Meldung, Dostojewski sei nach seinem Ableben 1881 entgegen mir bekannten Naturgesetzen von den Toten wiederauferstanden, nicht verborgen geblieben wäre. Somit ist der Roman selbstverständlich nicht urheberrechtlich geschützt. Da du selbst anmerkst, dass du über den Status der Übersetzung nichts sagen kannst, wundere ich mich sehr, wie du zu dieser Behauptung kommst.

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1. Der Idiot ist in Deutschland eigentlich noch urheberrechtlich geschützt. Wie es allerdings mit dieser Übersetzung aus weiss ich nicht.
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Old 11-23-2012, 06:28 AM   #5
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Es handelt sich im vorliegenden Fall um die Übersetzung von Hermann Röhl.

Leider haben die Buchersteller zwar die Anmerkungen des Übersetzers eingepflegt, jedoch versäumt, den Übersetzer namentlich zu erwähnen.

Die Röhl-Übertragungen galten bis in die 80-er Jahre als Standardübertragungen. Wenn man in die ersten beiden Absätze des Werks hineinschaut kann man sich einen guten Eindruck vom Gesamtcharakter der Übertragung verschaffen.

Wenn man die Übersetzung sucht, die man vor 30 Jahren mal im Garten gelesen hat, wäre man hier richtig.. Falls man neu an Dostojewski herantritt sollte sich überlegen ob es nicht sinnvoller ist eine aktuelle Übertragung (zum Beispiel von Swetlana Geier) zu erwerben oder über eine Leihbücherei zu beziehen.
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Wenn man die Übersetzung sucht, die man vor 30 Jahren mal im Garten gelesen hat, wäre man hier richtig..
Was ist, wenn man's unter der Dusche gelesen hat?
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Old 11-23-2012, 07:12 PM   #7
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Die meisten Menschen die ich kenne lesen unter der Dusche nicht Dostojewski sondern D.H. Lawrence.
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Das habe ich natürlich in der Wildhüterhütte gleich bei der Kohlengrube gelesen. Obwohl dann am Ende die Hühner draufgekackt haben.
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Ich, Sam, der amerikanische Adler, finde diese Kommentare schon wieder alle höchst unseriös.
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Er musste schon wieder weg. Ihr glaubt ja nicht, wie teuer das ist, den für einen Kurzauftritt zu buchen! Außerdem ist er zickig.
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Hat er auf das Urheberrecht seines Schöpfers gepocht?
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Also der Herr Dostojewski hier ist und bleibt ein wenig angestaubt, da wird man nicht viel anrichten können. Aber anscheind stören sich daran nicht viele Leute, erst der ~3'000. Leser hat sich beklagt..

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Bei Übersetzungen ist nicht nur der Tod des Autors, sondern auch der des Übersetzers ausschlaggebend. Der gute Herr Röhl ist aber auch schon seit mehr als 70 Jahren tot (Todesjahr offensichtlich 1923), also kein Problem bzgl. Urheberrecht.
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Wenn jemand mit nur einem und dann mit einem solchen Beitrag hier erscheint, dann habe ich immer leise Zweifel an der unverfälschten und uneigennützigen Reinheit seiner Absicht, uns vor einer schlechten Übersetzung zu bewahren. Möglicherweise liege ich mächtig daneben, aber trotzdem...
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