Guess who just won the Nobel Peace Prize?

Nate the great · 10-12-2007, 09:30 AM

I found this so laughable I had to post it.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071012/...gore_ipcc_dc_3

HarryT · 10-12-2007, 09:35 AM

This is absolutely excellent news. Climate change is one of the biggest risks facing the future of our planet. You might want to stop laughing for a while and check out the facts, Nate. Much as it may displease Mr Bush, one cannot pretend that global warming will just go away if you ignore it.

Egghead · 10-12-2007, 10:17 AM

The climate never STOPS changing. It's been continuously changing for the past 4.5 billion years, and will continue for the next 5 billion years, until the sun swells up and engulfs the earth. We as a species will be dead and gone LONG before climate change ever threatens the earth.

HarryT · 10-12-2007, 10:22 AM

But it won't take much of a change to put our presence on the planet in big trouble. Sorry if that's an "anthropocentric" view point, but I actually feel quite strongly that it's important.

Nate the great · 10-12-2007, 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HarryT

This is absolutely excellent news. Climate change is one of the biggest risks facing the future of our planet. You might want to stop laughing for a while and check out the facts, Nate. Much as it may displease Mr Bush, one cannot pretend that global warming will just go away if you ignore it.

He won it for making "An Inconvenient Truth", which is a collection of lies mis-statements, and anecdotes. It was not a documentary.

Also, I am laughing at him, not climate change. I have nothing but contempt for him. This has nothing to do with my feelings on "climate change".

Harry, please. Let's not discuss "climate change". I disagree with you, but I don't want to start an argument. It will not change anyone's mind and has a good chance to end badly.

JSWolf · 10-12-2007, 10:47 AM

Nate, please show me where Gore lied in An Inconvenient Truth please. I saw it and it didn't seem like likes to me. I could be wrong, but if I am, I want proof.

Dalapin · 10-12-2007, 11:08 AM

I am not here to debate global warming, but here is the

truth

behind an inconvenient truth.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sh...nvenient-truth

Anyways, the film does have issues.

jamesdmanley · 10-12-2007, 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JSWolf

Nate, please show me where Gore lied in An Inconvenient Truth please. I saw it and it didn't seem like likes to me. I could be wrong, but if I am, I want proof.

the british court just made a ruling that the movie cannot be shown in schools without pointing out the factual inaccuracies.

Al Gore’s Academy Award-winning documentary on global warming, “An Inconvenient Truth,” is a biased and inaccurate political work that can’t be shown in British schools without special guidance, a British judge ruled yesterday.

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/int...icleid=1037311

HarryT · 10-12-2007, 11:31 AM

Global warming is too important an issue to let oneself be distracted by a personal or political dislike of any "figurehead" representing the issue. The UN Climate Change Commission is a group of scientists of global reknown. The fact that THEIR work has been recognised as being significant for the future of mankind cannot, and should not, be laughed off.

Oh, Why Not? · 10-12-2007, 11:34 AM

It's the new 'Belief" system for the 21st century. Let's choose sides.

jasonkchapman · 10-12-2007, 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HarryT

But it won't take much of a change to put our presence on the planet in big trouble. Sorry if that's an "anthropocentric" view point, but I actually feel quite strongly that it's important.

I'm not yet convinced that that's necessarily a bad thing.

NatCh · 10-12-2007, 11:43 AM

As far as I'm concerned, the jury's still out on the global warming thing. Those "pushing" it (many of whom were saying thirty years ago that we were headed for an ice age) have been at it for quite some time. While the research that doesn't support it is just beginning to emerge, not having had as long to work on it.

I figure it'll be a while before we can say with any certainty which side is bunk, and I'd rather not do anything that will cripple our civilization (also a shamelessly anthropocentric perspective, I know) until we're sure which way we should jump.

At the same time I don't see any reason we shouldn't do the things that are less burdensome — it's just good stewardship of the planet. I've got a garage full of cardboard (moving boxes) that I'm having to cut up and parcel so that I can fit it into my car to get it to the recycling place (which doesn't want to pick it up and only operates about 5 hours a day). It'd be easier to just trash it, but the stuff is 100% recyclable, and I'd rather spend the sweat than waste it.

HarryT · 10-12-2007, 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oh, Why Not?

It's the new 'Belief" system for the 21st century. Let's choose sides.

Thankfully science is about FACTS, rather than beliefs. It's only misguided politicians who believe that if you claim that the science is somehow faked by your political opponents then it'll all go away.

Kilarney · 10-12-2007, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

I saw it and it didn't seem like likes to me. I could be wrong, but if I am, I want proof.

Exactly the reaction Gore was hoping for. If he's making the claim, it's up to him to provide the proof.

I am far from an environmentalist, but I do lean towards the global warming camp. Nonetheless, there is little dispute that Gore's movie was more of a propaganda piece than a true documentary.

jamesdmanley · 10-12-2007, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jasonkchapman

I'm not yet convinced that that's necessarily a bad thing.

thank god for global warming. with out it more than half of north america would be covered with glaciers, and id be fighting wolly mammoths and saber tooth cats instead of going to school, going to the beach, and taking pictures of flowers. i wonder what kind of suvs the cave men were driving to mess that up?

10-12-2007, 09:30 AM	#1
Nate the great Sir Penguin of Edinburgh Posts: 12,375 Karma: 23555235 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: DC Metro area Device: Shake a stick plus 1	Guess who just won the Nobel Peace Prize? I found this so laughable I had to post it. http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071012/...gore_ipcc_dc_3

10-12-2007, 11:08 AM	#7
Dalapin Sonywbie Posts: 10 Karma: 47 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Saskatoon Device: PRS-500 & T3	Just answering the question I am not here to debate global warming, but here is the truth behind an inconvenient truth. http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sh...nvenient-truth Anyways, the film does have issues.

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10-12-2007, 09:35 AM	#2
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,544 Karma: 93383043 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	This is absolutely excellent news. Climate change is one of the biggest risks facing the future of our planet. You might want to stop laughing for a while and check out the facts, Nate. Much as it may displease Mr Bush, one cannot pretend that global warming will just go away if you ignore it.

10-12-2007, 10:17 AM	#3
Egghead Mentat Posts: 78 Karma: 77 Join Date: Jun 2006 Device: Bookeen Gen3 Cybook	The climate never STOPS changing. It's been continuously changing for the past 4.5 billion years, and will continue for the next 5 billion years, until the sun swells up and engulfs the earth. We as a species will be dead and gone LONG before climate change ever threatens the earth.

10-12-2007, 10:22 AM	#4
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,544 Karma: 93383043 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	But it won't take much of a change to put our presence on the planet in big trouble. Sorry if that's an "anthropocentric" view point, but I actually feel quite strongly that it's important.

10-12-2007, 10:47 AM	#6
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 73,972 Karma: 128903378 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	Nate, please show me where Gore lied in An Inconvenient Truth please. I saw it and it didn't seem like likes to me. I could be wrong, but if I am, I want proof.

10-12-2007, 11:31 AM	#9
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,544 Karma: 93383043 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	Global warming is too important an issue to let oneself be distracted by a personal or political dislike of any "figurehead" representing the issue. The UN Climate Change Commission is a group of scientists of global reknown. The fact that THEIR work has been recognised as being significant for the future of mankind cannot, and should not, be laughed off.

10-12-2007, 11:34 AM	#10
Oh, Why Not? Groupie Posts: 176 Karma: 13065 Join Date: Aug 2007 Device: Galaxy Note 2; KindleFireHDX	It's the new 'Belief" system for the 21st century. Let's choose sides.

10-12-2007, 11:43 AM	#12
NatCh Gizmologist Posts: 11,615 Karma: 929550 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Republic of Texas Embassy at Jackson, TN Device: Pocketbook Touch HD3	As far as I'm concerned, the jury's still out on the global warming thing. Those "pushing" it (many of whom were saying thirty years ago that we were headed for an ice age) have been at it for quite some time. While the research that doesn't support it is just beginning to emerge, not having had as long to work on it. I figure it'll be a while before we can say with any certainty which side is bunk, and I'd rather not do anything that will cripple our civilization (also a shamelessly anthropocentric perspective, I know) until we're sure which way we should jump. At the same time I don't see any reason we shouldn't do the things that are less burdensome — it's just good stewardship of the planet. I've got a garage full of cardboard (moving boxes) that I'm having to cut up and parcel so that I can fit it into my car to get it to the recycling place (which doesn't want to pick it up and only operates about 5 hours a day). It'd be easier to just trash it, but the stuff is 100% recyclable, and I'd rather spend the sweat than waste it.

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