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Mentioning discrimination is not trolling just because discrimination pushes emotional buttons. If you will look at the title of the thread you will notice that it contains the words: "age discrimination".
Making analogies helps understand a situation. In this particular case it ended up showing that you don't consider age discrimination to be on the same level with other forms of discrimination, to the point where you don't consider it illegal. To me it is on the same level. By making the analogy I wasn't trying to increase the emotional level of the discussion. It is difficult to get the full meaning of what somebody is trying to say from just reading a post. In this case I can't tell if your reaction to her lying about her age is based on the concept of 'lying is bad at all times, regardless of the reasons behind the lie' or not. My reasoning regarding the lie is this: what matters is if the actor can play the part. Because of that, the actual age of the actor should have no influence on the decision to hire the actor. So lying about one's age shouldn't matter at all, and therefore it can't be characterized as fraudulent. So form my point of view that leaves the situation to this: a person made a profile on a website then wanted the information in one field removed. The website wouldn't allow her to remove the data herself, and the management wouldn't remove the data for her. Then they used her legal name, which they knew not from the data that she submitted for the profile, but from the credit card information, to get personal information on her from a website, and while they had agreed not to distribute this information, they did so anyway. According to the motion that was filed, and in agreement with the statement of IMDb’s customer service manager (Giancarlo Cairella): Quote:
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I quoted that because it's the only one that I found to be general. However:
District of Columbia: Birth records become public 100 years after the date of birth. Virginia: Birth records are public information 100 years after the date of the event South Dakota: This site contains information from birth records with birth dates of over 100 years of age as required by South Dakota Codified Law 34-25-8 Connecticut: Access to birth records less than 100 years old is somewhat restricted. Only the people listed in the record, certain relatives, municipal employees, attorneys, and members of certain genealogical societies may receive certified copies of birth records less than 100 years old. If you want, I can look for the rules in each of the states, but it even if the time limit isn't 100 for all states it would make sense that some time has to pass before access to the records is unrestricted. Quote:
The Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967 clearly prohibits age discrimination. Quote:
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That common sense reason would be because they cannot perform the requested duty, i.e. looking like a five year old child. The above mentioned act does not exempt an older person from being able to complete the paid for task. It only ensures that old people who are qualified to perform a job are not discriminated against.
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And you don't think that it's unjust to reject an actress who looks 30 for the role of a 30 year old woman entirely based on her real age?
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I'm not clear on what point you are trying to make with this. The actress in question was looking for parts in 10+ year range, not 35+. She was going for roles where she can look the part, not roles fitting someone a fourth of her height. |
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Might be why the jury didn't buy her story, eh? |
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Mind you, that's also the definition of "Tuesday" in Hollywood. As is using any excuse to pare down the list of thousands of possible actors for any role, including age. But she knew that. I suspect she was hoping that IMDB, and, more importantly, the jury, didn't (and wouldn't) understand it all.
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The name that she uses is not her legal name. Do you also have a problem with that? The mention of lying on a business card reminded me of something. It's completely silly, and I'm putting it under spoiler tags because it's an image. It has absolutely nothing to do with the current topic. Spoiler:
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1. Generally, age discrimination can be illegal where that discrimination is not for a bone fide reasons. Depending on the State, your mileage may vary on this. Discriminating against an actress because of her age likely isn't prohibited discrimination, but I've never seen a human rights or employment case where this was discussed (keep in mind I'm not an American lawyer, so I generally only watch for the big decisions). 2. Lying about her age would not meet any legal definition of "fraud" in this instance. At most, someone could argue that she came to court with "unclean hands" as courts in common law jurisdictions can apply that rule of equity when appropriate. I doubt this argument would succeed in any event. And with that, I'm off! /drops smoke bomb |
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Would you not have a problem with someone using you as a reference when applying for a job, and expecting you to lie to help them get that job? Would you accept money for doing so? |
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And IMDB certainly has a legitimate interest in fighting that kind of deceit. If they don't it damages their reputation in the industry, which directly damages their business. They're double winners here; not only did they win the legal case, they also established that their information is trustworthy. Don't think for a second that isn't the more important victory. |
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