Cyberlooting - Page 3

vicinc · 07-07-2011, 02:09 PM

can we calm down here. I think the only one that produced a rom other than Entourage is ptsenter. I do not think that cutting the throat of the only persons that helps is a good idea. Is all childish anyway. For yugami not to release source that may be of no good anyway, for emusan and pt senter to engage in this protracting argument that does not lead anywhere.
you better get all three of you together and get us a better rom.
Thanks guys and let move on.

ptsenter · 07-07-2011, 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by emusan

so... when are you planning on growing up?

If you want to say something to me it should fit in one sentence, you know that, don't you?

To answer your question: after you finish your college (if I survive that long yet) we'll check your understanding of logic.

emusan · 07-07-2011, 02:18 PM

all ptsenter did was copy some files into entourages update.zip, people had already tried this on the xda forums and had the same amount of success. I could have done the same with my release, but I chose to make it quicker and easier(IMO) to install and not need to do a recovery(which could have other side effects we don't know of yet). For all intents and purposes his "ROM" does the same thing my zip did.

And I agree that its completely childish and I would love to get together with other members of the community to work on this as well as the e-ink(I've already isolated some libraries and I am close to getting it to work anyway). But I REFUSE to work with someone that:

a. cannot admit when they are wrong
b. accuses someone of a serious crime when in fact that person did nothing
c. would accuse someone that has been a key person in the community
d. acts like a child and doesn't even read posts before responding
e. clearly has little to no respect for anyone

I'm sorry if the community has to suffer for that, but its not all on me.

vicinc · 07-07-2011, 02:25 PM

my oh my, should I sell my Edges and just give up? I think the buyers of Edges are all of stubborn stock, isn't it?! how can we positively conclude this?

emusan · 07-07-2011, 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vicinc

my oh my, should I sell my Edges and just give up? I think the buyers of Edges are all of stubborn stock, isn't it?! how can we positively conclude this?

don't do that silly, I'm still going to work on it for the foreseeable future, just on my own... Yugami is a busy person and has indicated in the past that he doesn't really have much time to devote to this anyway, though he has helped a lot so far.

Also, should note, I've spoken with some friends and it turns out that the processor used in the PE has a closed source sdk that you have to license(costs a bit of money too), so don't expect 3.0 any time soon.

vicinc · 07-07-2011, 02:56 PM

My rom bounty still stands! Hope to get my first PE unbricked as soon as I get my second working PE and cat and dd the partitions to my non working one, as I could not convinced anyone to help with this yet.
I will settle for 2.2 or 2.3 that do work, market / video (flash?) and more e-ink / lcd integration. I want positive action here not people fighting over silly things.

emusan · 07-07-2011, 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vicinc

My rom bounty still stands! Hope to get my first PE unbricked as soon as I get my second working PE and cat and dd the partitions to my non working one, as I could not convinced anyone to help with this yet.
I will settle for 2.2 or 2.3 that do work, market / video (flash?) and more e-ink / lcd integration. I want positive action here not people fighting over silly things.

2.3 wouldn't really be feasible, like I said, closed source SoC, so we're stuck with ermine for awhile, though we can probably do some modifications to it to make it work better. I may be able to get the sdk, but I wouldn't be able to release any source code, etc.

muranternet · 07-07-2011, 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by emusan

Also, should note, I've spoken with some friends and it turns out that the processor used in the PE has a closed source sdk that you have to license(costs a bit of money too), so don't expect 3.0 any time soon.

I tried finding the SDK for the PXA168 and found this, much to my amusement:

http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/03/m...d-graphics-su/

The chip is a bit of a mystery in terms of its voltage. I read one report of someone essentially melting their uSD card and drive door. If it's the waste heat from the chip this would explain why they underclock it 33%, and maybe why the PE is such a battery pig, but since the response on the device is so slow then what exactly is it doing to justify this sort of power consumption (Certainly not "HD-quality video and 3D.")

No luck on any SDK data. What are the licensing terms? I have a feeling they're not good, as well as the terms on the aux MMX chip.

vicinc · 07-07-2011, 03:54 PM

strange decision to use close source SoC. hmm. We do not need the SDK, just a workable rom, and eventually proper recovery. I think if they have opened up and got apps developed for it they would still be here.

emusan · 07-07-2011, 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by muranternet

I tried finding the SDK for the PXA168 and found this, much to my amusement:

http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/03/m...d-graphics-su/

The chip is a bit of a mystery in terms of its voltage. I read one report of someone essentially melting their uSD card and drive door. If it's the waste heat from the chip this would explain why they underclock it 33%, and maybe why the PE is such a battery pig, but since the response on the device is so slow then what exactly is it doing to justify this sort of power consumption (Certainly not "HD-quality video and 3D.")

No luck on any SDK data. What are the licensing terms? I have a feeling they're not good, as well as the terms on the aux MMX chip.

I don't really know the specifics, my friend will be back online later so I can ask him then, he works with this kinda stuff a lot.

@vicinc, lol is it really that surprising, entourage went to an absurd amount of trouble to make sure no one cracked this thing open, I think they to some degree enjoyed shooting themselves in the foot, I can't explain any other reason for it lol.

vicinc · 07-07-2011, 04:47 PM

I think mr Asghar Mostafa has a outdated vision of what technology means. Today is not only in the hardware, but in the software and more and more on how you interact as a company with your customers and prospective customers (see Apple, Facebook, Google etc.)
Having an open approach is what made of android the biggest platform.

vicinc · 07-07-2011, 04:52 PM

3ds is using PXA168 and something interesting http://www.impinj.com/Indy_Reader_Chip_SDK.aspx
using PXA168 and there is a sdk there for this/!?!

Filark · 07-07-2011, 04:59 PM

Oops!

Canceled post. Drive on by . . .

vicinc · 07-07-2011, 05:11 PM

our tablet is close to http://www.androidtablets.net/forum/...d-2-2-a-2.html
bluepanther thunder 7? do you think I may be on something?

vicinc · 07-07-2011, 05:13 PM

check this! I think you need to compare our rom with this, we may find something. http://www.androidtablets.net/forum/...under-mid.html

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=9ZKB80XR

and
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=I7CE9SK0

07-07-2011, 04:59 PM	#43
Filark Armed with a smile :) Posts: 1,421 Karma: 2463560 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: California, USA Device: enTourage eDGe & Pocket eDGe, Samsung Galaxy Note II	Oops! Canceled post. Drive on by . . . Last edited by Filark; 07-07-2011 at 05:01 PM.

07-07-2011, 05:11 PM	#44
vicinc Guru Posts: 733 Karma: 443 Join Date: May 2011 Location: UK Device: Pocket Edgex2(1unborked), Alex, Nook B&W, Nook Color, Nook STR	our tablet is close to http://www.androidtablets.net/forum/...d-2-2-a-2.html bluepanther thunder 7? do you think I may be on something? Last edited by vicinc; 07-07-2011 at 05:29 PM.

07-07-2011, 02:09 PM	#31
vicinc Guru Posts: 733 Karma: 443 Join Date: May 2011 Location: UK Device: Pocket Edgex2(1unborked), Alex, Nook B&W, Nook Color, Nook STR	can we calm down here. I think the only one that produced a rom other than Entourage is ptsenter. I do not think that cutting the throat of the only persons that helps is a good idea. Is all childish anyway. For yugami not to release source that may be of no good anyway, for emusan and pt senter to engage in this protracting argument that does not lead anywhere. you better get all three of you together and get us a better rom. Thanks guys and let move on.

07-07-2011, 02:18 PM	#33
emusan lol Posts: 472 Karma: 1031 Join Date: May 2011 Device: eDGe	all ptsenter did was copy some files into entourages update.zip, people had already tried this on the xda forums and had the same amount of success. I could have done the same with my release, but I chose to make it quicker and easier(IMO) to install and not need to do a recovery(which could have other side effects we don't know of yet). For all intents and purposes his "ROM" does the same thing my zip did. And I agree that its completely childish and I would love to get together with other members of the community to work on this as well as the e-ink(I've already isolated some libraries and I am close to getting it to work anyway). But I REFUSE to work with someone that: a. cannot admit when they are wrong b. accuses someone of a serious crime when in fact that person did nothing c. would accuse someone that has been a key person in the community d. acts like a child and doesn't even read posts before responding e. clearly has little to no respect for anyone I'm sorry if the community has to suffer for that, but its not all on me.

07-07-2011, 02:25 PM	#34
vicinc Guru Posts: 733 Karma: 443 Join Date: May 2011 Location: UK Device: Pocket Edgex2(1unborked), Alex, Nook B&W, Nook Color, Nook STR	my oh my, should I sell my Edges and just give up? I think the buyers of Edges are all of stubborn stock, isn't it?! how can we positively conclude this?

07-07-2011, 02:56 PM	#36
vicinc Guru Posts: 733 Karma: 443 Join Date: May 2011 Location: UK Device: Pocket Edgex2(1unborked), Alex, Nook B&W, Nook Color, Nook STR	My rom bounty still stands! Hope to get my first PE unbricked as soon as I get my second working PE and cat and dd the partitions to my non working one, as I could not convinced anyone to help with this yet. I will settle for 2.2 or 2.3 that do work, market / video (flash?) and more e-ink / lcd integration. I want positive action here not people fighting over silly things.

07-07-2011, 03:54 PM	#39
vicinc Guru Posts: 733 Karma: 443 Join Date: May 2011 Location: UK Device: Pocket Edgex2(1unborked), Alex, Nook B&W, Nook Color, Nook STR	strange decision to use close source SoC. hmm. We do not need the SDK, just a workable rom, and eventually proper recovery. I think if they have opened up and got apps developed for it they would still be here.

07-07-2011, 04:47 PM	#41
vicinc Guru Posts: 733 Karma: 443 Join Date: May 2011 Location: UK Device: Pocket Edgex2(1unborked), Alex, Nook B&W, Nook Color, Nook STR	I think mr Asghar Mostafa has a outdated vision of what technology means. Today is not only in the hardware, but in the software and more and more on how you interact as a company with your customers and prospective customers (see Apple, Facebook, Google etc.) Having an open approach is what made of android the biggest platform.

07-07-2011, 04:52 PM	#42
vicinc Guru Posts: 733 Karma: 443 Join Date: May 2011 Location: UK Device: Pocket Edgex2(1unborked), Alex, Nook B&W, Nook Color, Nook STR	3ds is using PXA168 and something interesting http://www.impinj.com/Indy_Reader_Chip_SDK.aspx using PXA168 and there is a sdk there for this/!?!

07-07-2011, 05:13 PM	#45
vicinc Guru Posts: 733 Karma: 443 Join Date: May 2011 Location: UK Device: Pocket Edgex2(1unborked), Alex, Nook B&W, Nook Color, Nook STR	check this! I think you need to compare our rom with this, we may find something. http://www.androidtablets.net/forum/...under-mid.html http://www.megaupload.com/?d=9ZKB80XR and http://www.megaupload.com/?d=I7CE9SK0

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