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Ahhh, no. If the local constabulary were pushed to apply the law to a couple of fools caught sneaking into a cinema, then the charge would be "Trespass" not "Break and Enter". Break and Enter is forced entry to a property. Simply opening an unlocked door and walking in is not construed "Break and Enter", especially if it is in the context of sneaking into a cinema to try and watch a movie free. In reality, police would baulk at even charging for any offence, rather issuing a caution. As my brother in law and cousin have often told me, the paperwork for such a trivial offence is often not worth the time and effort, drawing them away from the real work of policing. Last edited by sabredog; 10-04-2012 at 12:50 AM. Reason: typos, I cannot type a damn.... |
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Maybe we should return to the 17Th and 18Th century and hang pirates.
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My fault. I was actually thinking about "trespassing", because no physical damage is done. I got it wrong because in Italy the two felonies are filed under the same category ("violazione di domicilio"). Still, the main point remains: to charge a donwloader for every single file he gets from the net rather than for the ones he actually reads is like to charge a theatre "sneaker" for every movie in every theatre and not just for the one he actually watches. |
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Prison time for chronic theft seems an appropriate punishment.
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However, the situation is quite different for uploading, however, since you are enabling millions of people to potentially deprive the owner of money; when you fence a stolen shirt, the owner only loses money for the one shirt. Quote:
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But prison time? No.[/QUOTE] Yeah, prison is too harsh for downloading unless very unusual circumstances exist. And while people do get sent to prison in the US for theft, it takes a lot of small thefts or one big theft to get there. |
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With digital downloads, there's no clear loss. You still have an infinite amount of copies to continue to sell to anyone and everyone. The only loss is the _potential_ sale you lost to the person who pirated it instead of buying it. It's potential as it's not clear if that person would have bought it had it not been illegally available for free. Some would, some wouldn't. Quote:
Physical item loss is far from a victimless crime. Digital loss, well I often have my _digital_ apps stolen. Annoying yes, possible loss of income yes, anything like when we were broken into, definitely not. Quote:
Edit: Just read more of the thread and realised you were saying what I've just said in response to an earlier poster, in that case, consider the last paragraph above an additional agreement Last edited by JoeD; 10-04-2012 at 05:07 PM. |
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The problem of course is that I've taken advantage of the painter's labour and then reneged on my part of the contract - to pay for the painter's time in doing the painting. This is exactly analogous to piracy. You're taking advantage of the creator's labour, but refusing to pay for the work that you've benefited from. |
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Well, in this topic, really no one is. I know a few crazies have, and Giggleton usually does (but he doesn't really count).
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