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Consciousness is fundamental to Quantum theory and it's explanation of how reality works. It is Lanza's position that this truth has been neglected. Last edited by Rizla; 03-24-2014 at 10:35 PM. |
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To me, the argument that the state is indeterminate until observed sounds just like "Is the fridge light on when the door is closed?", or "If a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it, does it make a noise?". You can always argue that something else could be happening when we're not looking because you can't prove that it's not, but there doesn't seem to be any justification for it. You would have to prove to me what is so special about our consciousness that the rest of the world can only wait for its attention. |
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The double-split experiment shows that consciousness plays a "special" role in the behavior of reality. It collapses the wave function. |
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Schrödinger's cat was a thought experiment devised to highlight the flaws/limits of the Copenhagen interpretation, not reinforce it!
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This fuzziness does seem to be real and can be utilised on the macroscopic scale. Take quantum computing, for example. It defies common sense, but it works. |
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It's been over 25 years since I looked into this stuff, so I'm pretty rusty on it. I don't recall the double-slit experiment having anything to do with consciousness. I remember that it was proof of the quantum theoretical view of the world as opposed to the classical view. It demonstrated wave-particle duality, and that interference and probabilities were correctly computed based on wave function amplitudes (one of the postulates of quantum theory). I don't remember wave function collapse being important to the experiment.
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For example, from Heisenberg's "Physics and Philosophy": "The observer has, rather, only the function of registering decisions, i.e., processes in space and time, and it does not matter whether the observer is an apparatus or a human being;". /JB |
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I'm late to this thread but I didn't see this book mentioned in the first several pages. My favorite science book is Issac Asimov's 'A New Guide to Science'. It's OOP and not available as an ebook, but worth picking up a used one. There are several on Amazon. It's more of a history of science. Very good read.
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Lanza dedicates a chapter to the experiment and addresses your point and gives a physical example that rebuts your statement. I read this part several times because I needed to be sure. If I get a chance later, I will give you details of his example, but maybe you should just read the book yourself. He spends a chapter referencing the double-split experiment and it's very early in the book.
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As I said in the beginning Lanza is full of it. A woo-master. His claims are not science.
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