Atheist zealots a heavy cross to bear

[Elfwreck]

Originally Posted by terrazoids

1) Well of course morality can only be Christian because it is of God so yeah I guess if you're not Christian then morality doesn't apply to you or only some kind of perversion of it.

Does that mean it's okay for Christians to murder non-Christians because morality doesn't apply to non-Christians?

2) By all means... get in touch with Jesus.. (Hes gonna rock your world!)

He had his chance. Like I said, he can wrangle his way through the religious commitments I already have.

3) Oh dear. Satan is known as the Great Deceiver. Never listen to him. Its a one way track downtown.

Why should I believe you? Nowhere in your own bible does it show Satan actually lying to anyone; it just calls him "deceiver."
4)People shouldn't decide they need to investigate based on my good word
5) Well at least I tried. God aint gonna fault me for that![/QUOTE]
Nice to have a god who won't fault you for harming his goals.

[terrazoids]

Originally Posted by darknessangel

Wooohooo! What happened to terrazoids in a day? Did he start with LSD or crack cocaine? He started civil and now he's burning Korans and practically starting a new KKK guild! O_O

Will some mod please close this thread?

I've been pretty clear all the way through. And I've never insulted noone! Oh but here we go with more insults. My faith is like my armor.... and I shall endure....

[Elfwreck]

Originally Posted by terrazoids

I've been pretty clear all the way through. And I've never insulted noone! Oh but here we go with more insults. My faith is like my armor.... and I shall endure....

From Holy Scripture:
You have built for yourselves psychic suits of armor, and clad in them, your vision is restricted, your movements are clumsy and painful, your skin is bruised, and your spirit is broiled in the sun.

I am chaos. I am the substance from which your artists and scientists build rhythms. I am the spirit with which your children and clowns laugh in happy anarchy. I am chaos. I am alive, and I tell you that you are free.

[EatingPie]

I'm late to this topic, and am curious, has anybody recently evaluated how close they are to what the OP was calling out -- regardless of which side of the fence you're on?

Still, I'm going to step back a bit... way back! To a quiz.

Originally Posted by WT Sharpe

Those who are curious to see how rational their views of God are may like to check out The Philosophers' Magazine's "Battleground God" at http://www.philosophersnet.com/games/god.php. Sure, it isn't the final word on one's rationality, but is is a fun quiz. I took it years ago and if I remember correctly I answered all but one of the questions "correctly."

I started the quiz, and stopped, dead stuck at "Question" 3!

3. "Any being which it is right to call God must be free to do anything."

I think I am supposed to answer "true" here, previous stating a belief God, and morality existing only if God exists. But this is not true as worded. It would be illogical to conclude God can do anything. An infinite, personal, loving God who created an ordered and logical Universe would himself be logical. And there are lots of paradoxes wrapped up in that one word "anything."

Okay, I decided to continue anyway after answering "false"...

Lo and behold, I am later presented with the logical fallacy: "If God exists she would have the freedom and power to create square circles and make 1 + 1 = 72." See the fallacy? Of course God is not a she! Okay, the real fallacy is suggesting that God can do anything, even make illogical/pararoxical things happen.

It is foolish to believe in God without certain, irrevocable proof that God exists.

More specific wording. A definite "no" for me, who believes in the Christian God. Not because I am one of blind faith. But because of the wording. We are not dealing with irrevocable proof but evidence. In discussing God, it's more like being in a courtroom presenting evidence than it is like being in a laboratory observing the natural world in a search for equations and proofs. (I wonder how much this clarification would help in this thread... oh... nevermind! )

I bet a lot of people feel compelled to answer "true" just because we have begun to abuse terms like "proof" and "faith" until they don't mean what they mean. (Proof is used in place of evidence, faith in place of blind faith.)

And much to my shock... I'll be damned!... I took zero hits, and zero bullets!

I swear I took the test as I wrote this post. I was going to quit at the "free to do anything" question, which compelled my post, because the wording was so specific, I figured they didn't know what they were doing. I'm glad I continued. Not so much for myself (okay, I'm excited!), but to know that there is a site on the Internet that understands that terms have specific meanings -- and I believe also understands we've been abusing those meanings -- in a logical discussion!

-Pie

[terrazoids]

Originally Posted by Elfwreck

Does that mean it's okay for Christians to murder non-Christians because morality doesn't apply to non-Christians?

He had his chance. Like I said, he can wrangle his way through the religious commitments I already have.

Why should I believe you? Nowhere in your own bible does it show Satan actually lying to anyone; it just calls him "deceiver."
4)People shouldn't decide they need to investigate based on my good word
5) Well at least I tried. God aint gonna fault me for that!

Nice to have a god who won't fault you for harming his goals.[/QUOTE]

1) Only if God says so.
2) What in the world could be more important than a date with Jesus Christ? Throw off those pesky commitments, get down on your knees and just simply pray! Jesus'll be on his way double time trust me....

3) The bible shows Satan lying all over the place. What do you think happened to Judas then, why he ended right up in Satans mouth! A nice little peanut butter snack. Thats what I mean when I say you don't want to flirt with this stuff.

4...) Yeah thats the difference between God and Satan. God forgives.

[terrazoids]

Originally Posted by Elfwreck

From Holy Scripture:
You have built for yourselves psychic suits of armor, and clad in them, your vision is restricted, your movements are clumsy and painful, your skin is bruised, and your spirit is broiled in the sun.

I am chaos. I am the substance from which your artists and scientists build rhythms. I am the spirit with which your children and clowns laugh in happy anarchy. I am chaos. I am alive, and I tell you that you are free.

Oh dear you've been reading some perverted form of scripture. Girl, that aint holy scripture.

[ShortNCuddlyAm]

Originally Posted by Elfwreck

Some apparently contradictions are only semantic clashes:

THE WORD IN BOLD IS RED.
Is the word in bold red, or blue? Depends on how it's described. The word can indeed be "red" and "blue" at the same time.

Derailing the thread here...

We used to have quite a lot of location filming going on in the are (for brits who watch soaps, the Sunhill Police Station set for The Bill is about 10-15 minutes walk from where I live), and it was common to see extras minibuses driving around. The one that had me giggling was the one with the red card in the windscreen with the word GREEN written on it, in black...

[Bilbo1967]

Originally Posted by darknessangel

Wooohooo! What happened to terrazoids in a day? Did he start with LSD or crack cocaine? He started civil and now he's burning Korans and practically starting a new KKK guild! O_O

Will some mod please close this thread?

Well, I did make an alternative suggestion above, but it looks like people are having too much fun to take any notice

[Lo Zeno]

Originally Posted by terrazoids

And I've never insulted noone!

You actually have. You have insulted Chinese, you have insulted buddhists, you have insulted me, you have insulted other agnostics, atheists, and Discordians.

Insulting isn't limited to name-calling: insulting (going by the dictionary) is giving a degrading definition to someone, to put him/her on a lower state than oneself.

And you did exactly this plenty of time, by stepping up on our words and claiming your religion's superiority.
Pride? Still remember that that's a deadly sin?
And look: I'm not Christian, you are the Christian here. And you are the one who should never do onto others what you don't want the others do to you.

[terrazoids]

Originally Posted by Lo Zeno

You actually have. You have insulted Chinese, you have insulted buddhists, you have insulted me, you have insulted other agnostics, atheists, and Discordians.

Insulting isn't limited to name-calling: insulting (going by the dictionary) is giving a degrading definition to someone, to put him/her on a lower state than oneself.

And you did exactly this plenty of time, by stepping up on our words and claiming your religion's superiority.
Pride? Still remember that that's a deadly sin?
And look: I'm not Christian, you are the Christian here. And you are the one who should never do onto others what you don't want the others do to you.

Listen... I got no problem with the folk themselves, just what they believe... thats all. I certainly haven't insulted you. Yeah I remember pride... but being proud of your religion aint a sin its a virtue. I simply can't wait for all of China to be converted to Christianity. Boy we're going to be kicking out the beers that day. Oh and incidentally thats the solution to that little Tibet problem we were talking about earlier. Why, it'll just melt away.

[Elfwreck]

Originally Posted by terrazoids

2) What in the world could be more important than a date with Jesus Christ?

Oh, off the top of my head...
1) orgasms
2) getting bills paid
3) formatting ebooks for fanfic exchanges
4) debating religion online....

If Jesus wants time in my life, *he* can tell me.

Throw off those pesky commitments, get down on your knees and just simply pray! Jesus'll be on his way double time trust me....

How could he trust I'd keep my commitments to him if I won't keep them to other gods?

3) The bible shows Satan lying all over the place. What do you think happened to Judas then, why he ended right up in Satans mouth! A nice little peanut butter snack. Thats what I mean when I say you don't want to flirt with this stuff.

Verses. Which verses show Satan lying?

[HarryT]

I think we've all had quite enough of this nonsense. What a shame that, once again, one person has to spoil things for everyone.

Thread closed.