Help a Publisher Out

dreams · 02-19-2009, 02:01 PM

I found this at the below link..

http://dearauthor.com/wordpress/2009...publisher-out/

"An ebook publisher contacted me about the post I had regarding ”What An eBook File Should Contain“. Specifically, many of us asked for a blurb or excerpt to appear at the front of the book. The publisher isn’t sure where to put it though. The blurb and excerpt are going to be listed in the table fo contents, but should the blurb and excerpt be separate files? Should it be placed at the front of the book? In what order? ie., blurb first, excerpt first? Would it be okay to be in the back of the file? What’s your thoughts?"

It's just a short poll to answer (you don't have to be signed in to vote)... It would be nice to give them feedback from people who really do care about the presentation of ebooks.

Mods, if I have posted in the incorrect place, please move it

zelda_pinwheel · 02-19-2009, 02:07 PM

oh, brilliant ! we were just talking about how we wished we had blurbs / excerpts in ebooks. excellent timing ! thanks for the link.

Moejoe · 02-19-2009, 02:07 PM

I voted at the front before the TOC, it seems the most logical place to put a blurb.

zelda_pinwheel · 02-19-2009, 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moejoe

I voted at the front before the TOC, it seems the most logical place to put a blurb.

i voted for that too ; i would like blurbs in my ebooks to refresh my memory about the book and help me decide which book to read next. when you have a few dozen (or a few hundred...

) of books on your liseuse, sometimes you can't remember exactly what each one is about. and you can't just turn the liseuse over and read the back cover, alas.

that's where a blurb would be nice.

pilotbob · 02-19-2009, 02:34 PM

Is there not a tag in the ePub schema that specifies a summary? If so, that is where it goes... then it is up to the display/library software to determine how/where it is displayed.

BOb

Idoine · 02-20-2009, 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pilotbob

Is there not a tag in the ePub schema that specifies a summary? If so, that is where it goes... then it is up to the display/library software to determine how/where it is displayed.

BOb

Unfortunately, not all the devices show this summary, for example Cybook doesn't ! And yes, it would be great if the software could do it, but when ? When will Mobipocket and Adobe modify their products on not so common devices, where these same softwares are fully (or almost) functionnal on PCs, and PDAs ? I say almost because I'm thinking of the DRM issue for Adobe Reader for PDAs...

So, voted too for At the front before TOC !

tompe · 02-20-2009, 09:19 PM

A blurb usually contains spoilers and I try to avoid reading it so I probably want it at the end so I do not see it by mistake.

Valloric · 02-20-2009, 09:22 PM

If you ask me, the blurb/excerpt shouldn't be in an ebook at all. It should be on the webpage of the book on the seller's/publisher's website. I know I'd remove it from the book the first chance I'd get if they'd put it in.

I don't need marketing materials embedded in something I already payed for.

tompe · 02-20-2009, 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Valloric

If you ask me, the blurb/excerpt shouldn't be in an ebook at all. It should be on the webpage of the book on the seller's/publisher's website. I know I'd remove it from the book the first chance I'd get if they'd put it in.

I don't need marketing materials embedded in something I already payed for.

Since I nearly never are influenced by the blurb to buy a book I have always seen it as a reminder of what the book is about and something that can be used when selecting which book to read next.

RWood · 02-20-2009, 10:03 PM

I would want it after the TOC (an active TOC that would allow me to skip the blurb and go directly to the book.) If I have already read the blurb I do not want to keep pressing the forward button to get past the blurb to the TOC or the start of the book.

Next they will add coming attractions and an FBI warning before I can get to the book. If you must put it before the TOC, give me a way to skip the blurb.

zelda_pinwheel · 02-21-2009, 08:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RWood

I would want it after the TOC (an active TOC that would allow me to skip the blurb and go directly to the book.) If I have already read the blurb I do not want to keep pressing the forward button to get past the blurb to the TOC or the start of the book.

Next they will add coming attractions and an FBI warning before I can get to the book. If you must put it before the TOC, give me a way to skip the blurb.

i would like it before the TOC (i think it should be the first thing in the book, so that i can quickly take a look at it when choosing what to read next, the way i look at the back cover of a paper book), but i also think that there should be a link at the beginning of the blurb to skip to the TOC or even to the beginning of the first chapter. i can understand that if you know what the book is about and want to start reading, a blurb is superfluous.

anyway this is only a stop-gap solution ; the best solution would be to always include the blurb in the meta-data of the book, and have an easy way to display it on the liseuse. but this is not the case yet. although i believe that hadrien has added descriptions to all the feedbooks epubs. now we just need a firmware update to display this information.

JSWolf · 02-21-2009, 08:45 AM

As long as the blurb is the same blurb we'd get from the back cover of the book, then that is ok. I do think the blurb should be after the ToC. That way, I can bypass it via the ToC if I want without having to page past it. Granted, it would mean going to the second ToC entry to be able to bypass the blurb, but that's ok to me.

Steven Lyle Jordan · 02-23-2009, 01:03 PM

For me, the blurb should be before the TOC (as they are in print books). We're talking short blurb here, back cover text, not an opus or forward.

I've seen some books put excerpts at the beginning of the book, but I can't see the point. Excerpts are also good at advertising/storefront points, before purchase, but don't need to be part of the book itself... after all, once you've got the book, you've got all of the text!

As a self-pub, I've not thought of putting a blurb into my ePubs (the blurb and excerpts are on my site, before purchase). I do include the blurbs of my other books at the end of the novel, as advertisement, but that's been about it.

GeoffC · 02-23-2009, 01:05 PM

The blurb ought to go where it relates to the current book.

If about the current, then after the TOC where it can be read/skipped as appropriate. If about the next in a series or generally other issues - then the end would be best.

JasonB · 02-25-2009, 11:06 PM

(The above mentioned earlier discussion on this was actually one that I started here - so I'm glad to see this "follow-up" from a publisher who's also interested in the topic.)

I voted for putting it before the TOC as, of the three options, that was the one that would like best. However, I'm in agreement with zelda_pinwheel that it should be in the metadata - so that the reader can present it in its menu system more appropriately. So, on my Sony for instance, I would see "Continue Reading", "Begin", "End", Bookmarks", "Summary", "Table of Contents", etc., as menu items. I should be able to go directly to the summary.

I also note that when I use the "Begin" menu item on my reader, this does not take me to the table of contents and then to page 1. Rather, the table of contents is not included in the "content" of the book pages themselves. Similarly, the summary should be a separate menu item alongside of the table of contents and outside of the normal book pages.

(So to talk about putting the summary "before the TOC" - but also then saying you don't like this because it would force you to page through it to get to the actual book - makes little sense. Because you don't have to "page through" the table of contents itself to get to the book. At least, you don't on the Sony - I can't speak to other readers.)

02-19-2009, 02:01 PM	#1
dreams It's about the umbrella Posts: 25,112 Karma: 56250158 Join Date: Jan 2009 Device: Sony 505\| K Fire \| KK 3G+Wi-Fi \| iPhone 3Gs \|Vista 32-bit Hm Prem w/FF	Help a Publisher Out I found this at the below link.. http://dearauthor.com/wordpress/2009...publisher-out/ "An ebook publisher contacted me about the post I had regarding ”What An eBook File Should Contain“. Specifically, many of us asked for a blurb or excerpt to appear at the front of the book. The publisher isn’t sure where to put it though. The blurb and excerpt are going to be listed in the table fo contents, but should the blurb and excerpt be separate files? Should it be placed at the front of the book? In what order? ie., blurb first, excerpt first? Would it be okay to be in the back of the file? What’s your thoughts?" It's just a short poll to answer (you don't have to be signed in to vote)... It would be nice to give them feedback from people who really do care about the presentation of ebooks. Mods, if I have posted in the incorrect place, please move it

02-25-2009, 11:06 PM	#15
JasonB Connoisseur Posts: 92 Karma: 15000 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Toronto, Canada Device: Sony PRS-505	(The above mentioned earlier discussion on this was actually one that I started here - so I'm glad to see this "follow-up" from a publisher who's also interested in the topic.) I voted for putting it before the TOC as, of the three options, that was the one that would like best. However, I'm in agreement with zelda_pinwheel that it should be in the metadata - so that the reader can present it in its menu system more appropriately. So, on my Sony for instance, I would see "Continue Reading", "Begin", "End", Bookmarks", "Summary", "Table of Contents", etc., as menu items. I should be able to go directly to the summary. I also note that when I use the "Begin" menu item on my reader, this does not take me to the table of contents and then to page 1. Rather, the table of contents is not included in the "content" of the book pages themselves. Similarly, the summary should be a separate menu item alongside of the table of contents and outside of the normal book pages. (So to talk about putting the summary "before the TOC" - but also then saying you don't like this because it would force you to page through it to get to the actual book - makes little sense. Because you don't have to "page through" the table of contents itself to get to the book. At least, you don't on the Sony - I can't speak to other readers.) Last edited by JasonB; 02-25-2009 at 11:13 PM.

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02-19-2009, 02:07 PM	#2
zelda_pinwheel zeldinha zippy zeldissima Posts: 27,827 Karma: 921169 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Paris, France Device: eb1150 & is that a nook in her pocket, or she just happy to see you?	oh, brilliant ! we were just talking about how we wished we had blurbs / excerpts in ebooks. excellent timing ! thanks for the link.

02-19-2009, 02:07 PM	#3
Moejoe Banned Posts: 5,100 Karma: 72193 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: South of the Border Device: Coffin	I voted at the front before the TOC, it seems the most logical place to put a blurb.

02-19-2009, 02:34 PM	#5
pilotbob Grand Sorcerer Posts: 19,832 Karma: 11844413 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Tampa, FL USA Device: Kindle Touch	Is there not a tag in the ePub schema that specifies a summary? If so, that is where it goes... then it is up to the display/library software to determine how/where it is displayed. BOb

02-20-2009, 09:19 PM	#7
tompe Grand Sorcerer Posts: 7,452 Karma: 7185064 Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Linköpng, Sweden Device: Kindle Voyage, Nexus 5, Kindle PW	A blurb usually contains spoilers and I try to avoid reading it so I probably want it at the end so I do not see it by mistake.

02-20-2009, 09:22 PM	#8
Valloric Created Sigil, FlightCrew Posts: 1,982 Karma: 350515 Join Date: Feb 2008 Device: Kobo Clara HD	If you ask me, the blurb/excerpt shouldn't be in an ebook at all. It should be on the webpage of the book on the seller's/publisher's website. I know I'd remove it from the book the first chance I'd get if they'd put it in. I don't need marketing materials embedded in something I already payed for.

02-20-2009, 10:03 PM	#10
RWood Technogeezer Posts: 7,233 Karma: 1601464 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Virginia, USA Device: Sony PRS-500	I would want it after the TOC (an active TOC that would allow me to skip the blurb and go directly to the book.) If I have already read the blurb I do not want to keep pressing the forward button to get past the blurb to the TOC or the start of the book. Next they will add coming attractions and an FBI warning before I can get to the book. If you must put it before the TOC, give me a way to skip the blurb.

02-21-2009, 08:45 AM	#12
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 73,897 Karma: 128597114 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	As long as the blurb is the same blurb we'd get from the back cover of the book, then that is ok. I do think the blurb should be after the ToC. That way, I can bypass it via the ToC if I want without having to page past it. Granted, it would mean going to the second ToC entry to be able to bypass the blurb, but that's ok to me.

02-23-2009, 01:03 PM	#13
Steven Lyle Jordan Grand Sorcerer Posts: 8,478 Karma: 5171130 Join Date: Jan 2006 Device: none	For me, the blurb should be before the TOC (as they are in print books). We're talking short blurb here, back cover text, not an opus or forward. I've seen some books put excerpts at the beginning of the book, but I can't see the point. Excerpts are also good at advertising/storefront points, before purchase, but don't need to be part of the book itself... after all, once you've got the book, you've got all of the text! As a self-pub, I've not thought of putting a blurb into my ePubs (the blurb and excerpts are on my site, before purchase). I do include the blurbs of my other books at the end of the novel, as advertisement, but that's been about it.

02-23-2009, 01:05 PM	#14
GeoffC Chocolate Grasshopper ... Posts: 27,600 Karma: 20821184 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Scotland Device: Muse HD , Cybook Gen3 , Pocketbook 302 (Black) , Nexus 10: wife has PW	The blurb ought to go where it relates to the current book. If about the current, then after the TOC where it can be read/skipped as appropriate. If about the next in a series or generally other issues - then the end would be best.