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It only has relevance, to your experience as a consumer, if you tend read the kinds of mainstream media reviewed books libraries acquire. If you've always been partial to self-published books (hard to imagine unless you are quite young), or limit yourself to bestsellers, it has less relevance. If anyone can find a similar price series for all books sold, I would be interested. Last edited by SteveEisenberg; 07-02-2013 at 07:17 PM. |
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The sales I got at Fictionwise allowed me to buy most of my books at about 25% of the price after the agency pricing went in. After agency pricing went in, a lot more books, especially backlist became available as ebooks, especially from publishers that were refusing to do ebooks, like Macmillan. I think since the lawsuit settlements, there have been a lot more sales, and I've been able get more books at price points comparable to used pbook prices.
While I think the publishers partially won, because they still have more control over prices than before 2010, they also lost because their insistence on DRM only served to reinforce Amazon's monopoly. I wonder if Macmillan's dropping DRM (at least at their Tor subsidiary) has affected the sales ratio, or if it's just too late now. Also, I think the article is wrong in claiming that Amazon was selling all new hardcovers at a $9.99 price point during the wholesale pricing era. I recall they were only doing that for the NYT Best Seller list books, and the rest were selling at or above cost. Last edited by bgalbrecht; 07-03-2013 at 12:06 AM. Reason: comment on Amazon prices |
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Whether this is true depends on how they do their accounting.
If you are selling at cost, you are losing a lot of money because of the many overall corporate costs that have to be shared between business lines, including staff salaries, computers, real estate, electricity (can be a big item for companies with server farms), debt service, and taxes. |
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Anybody who's been around here long enough is aware that, pre-agency, it was *common* to find some books cheaper at Fictionwise, some cheaper at Amazon, some cheaper at BoB or Diesel or even Sony, all depending on the sales and promos going on. The consensus was that *on average* Amazon had lower prices but that if you were willing to shop around and spread your buys you could save money over just going straight to Amazon. Agency did away with that for BPH titles and made Amazon the absolute low-cost source *all the time*. Plus it kept BPH titles out of the indie ebookstores leading o the demise (so far) of Fictionwise and BoB. The whole "Amazon predatory pricing" myth is based on a 19th century accounting model where every single item sold is supposed to bring in some profit in that transactin instead of modern retailing and accounting where you take a holistic look at entire lines of business and allow for sophisticated marketting techniques such as basket pricing to *increase* sales and overall profits. BTW, speaking of ebook accounting, there is also *this*: http://seekingalpha.com/article/1528...orted-revenues Quote:
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I'm not a judge so my judgment is on the common sense reading of the testimony; the BPHs *only* went to Agency because they coordinated through Apple to make sure they were *all* doing it. Otherwise they wouldn't have. That puts Apple clearly inside the conspiracy as the leader of the scam. Apple's legal position is that since they themselves are not publishers their serving as coordinators is not enough to *legally* put them *inside* the conspiracy circle. I grant that that might have a small chance of holding legal water; it might actually be legally possible to participate in a clear conspiracy but not be legally liable if you are clever enough to let all the legal onus fall on the suckers you partner with. Stranger things have happened in courts. (It's not unlike a gang leader having somebody killed and letting an underling take the fall.) I do agree that the quicker the judge rules--after allowing a discrete period to make sure the ruling is properly grounded in law--the more likely that she will reject Apple's position. Thus my expectation for a ruling this week or next depending on the holiday and vacation time she has coming. |
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Or it's quite possible that there is no conspiracy at all. Agency pricing is quite legal.
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Look. The legality of an agency pricing model is not in question. The legality of agency pricing is, in fact, completely irrelevant to the charge of conspiracy, here. It's quite possible to illegally conspire to bring about an otherwise perfectly legal pricing model. Why is that so hard to grasp? Last edited by DiapDealer; 07-03-2013 at 10:38 PM. |
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And when all the evidence points at St Stephen of Jobs as the instigator and ringleader. If it were B&N on the docket the same folks would be tsk-tsking with the rest of us. |
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Actually since it came out in the trial the B&N was the first to start talking agency model with the various publishers, the answer is no I wasn't tsk-tsking. The real question is would you be so fast to grab the pitchforks and torches if Apple wasn't involved?
For me, the basic question is how can one be guilty of conspiracy to set prices, if one agrees not to set prices? Answer, you can't unless someone is able to show that the publishers agreed among themselves to set prices and Apple was party to that. As far as I know, that was never even alleged in this case, much less shown. Pretty much all Apple agreeing to agency pricing did was give the individual publishers leverage against Amazon. |
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