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Yes, using the darknet is unethical. | 41 | 19.71% | |
No, anything that is out of print is fair game. | 142 | 68.27% | |
Not sure. | 25 | 12.02% | |
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08-25-2010, 04:14 AM | #46 |
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If the big publishers did not try to shaft me when they "sell" me an ebook - that is, sell me a license to use a file, often on a device of their choosing - I might feel that the transgression I commit in accessing that file from somewhere else and not paying for it was more significant. As it is, I accept that downloading a file without paying for it is unethical, and the file not being available legitimately doesn't seem to me to transform the act into an ethical one either, but given that I am not striving for a life of purity, I can live with that. I can justify it, but I can't make it ethical - sometimes we just do unethical things and if swiping a file off the darknet is the worst thing that I do in my life, well, that will be OK.
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It occurs to me that typically a book is out of print because the publisher can't be bothered with it anymore.
So if the copyright holder doesn't care, should anyone else be expected to? This leads me to believe that ideally the right to publish the book should revert to the author in the case where the publisher allows it to go out of print. Presumably the author still cares. And I imagine that an author could publish in eBook form an existing work at minimal cost and effort if he cared to. |
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My rubbish summary was of Jonathan Haidt's work, which is more subtle than I suggested. And quite entertaining
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I don't think it's a given that using the Darknet is necessarily unethical. That being said, I definitely fall into that category of person who doesn't spend a lot of time trying to rationalize my 'rule bends'. I think its a personality type. Probably we're the ones who are more likely to become criminals. |
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The basic problem is that the precedents of what constitutes fair use for electronic media is still somewhat fuzzy in situations like this; in large part because copyright law is still built around 18th century notions of what copyright should cover. -- Bill |
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Now if Van Gogh himself decided to destroy the painting becasue he felt it was inferior to his normal standards or didn't want to glut the market with his paintings, thus driving up the prices, he would be entitled to do so, not matter what anyone else thought. An author has the same legal and ethical right to do the same for the same reasons (or because s/he regretted the content and does not want it disiminated). A publisher has the legal right to do so if it owns the rights to a book but it would not be ethical to do so unless it was the author's intent. There's no easy answer. Last edited by Lady Fitzgerald; 08-25-2010 at 05:05 PM. |
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However, what I was trying to get at was the issue of entitlement. Some seem to think that if a piece of art was ever presented to the public for a price, that it has automatically become the permanent property of the public, and they should have access to it in perpetuity. I don't buy that. If a book is no longer in print, anyone who has previously paid for the item should have permanent access to it, ie, in your library example, the library should be able to loan the book out forever, but can they make 12 copies and loan those out, too? I would say no. If they needed more copies, they should have bought more when it was for sale; now it's too late. Quote:
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