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[HarryT]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

Technically it's not messy. But usage wise it's a mess.

Jon, the fact that you don't personally like it does NOT mean that it's wrong. You really need to stop thinking that anyone whose views differ from your own is "wrong". It is possible for people to have differing opinions on things, and many things (this included) are not "black and write".

[JSWolf]

A blockquote (for example) is supposed to have margins all around it. The margins can be changed based on what you set in the CSS. But they are not meant to have no margins otherwise, why bother with a blockquote?

[AlPe]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

A blockquote (for example) is supposed to have margins all around it. The margins can be changed based on what you set in the CSS. But they are not meant to have no margins otherwise, why bother with a blockquote?

I am sorry, JSWolf, but you should really read my previous post (and follow the link to W3C):

https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sho...7&postcount=13

and think about it.

You will see that a blockquote is not meant to "indent text", but rather to mark it as "a (block-level) citation".

[Freeshadow]

Originally Posted by HarryT

Jon, the fact that you don't personally like it does NOT mean that it's wrong. You really need to stop thinking that anyone whose views differ from your own is "wrong". It is possible for people to have differing opinions on things, and many things (this included) are not "black and write".

We had the same situation with omnibus editions in the MR library, remember?

Originally Posted by AlPe

I am sorry, JSWolf, but you should really read my previous post (and follow the link to W3C):

https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sho...7&postcount=13

and think about it.

You will see that a blockquote is not meant to "indent text", but rather to mark it as "a (block-level) citation".

Oh my even them doing it in a way other than Jon thinks is proper. *sigh* who's going to tell them to change it?

JS: Just as a reminder:

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[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by AlPe

I am sorry, JSWolf, but you should really read my previous post (and follow the link to W3C):

https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sho...7&postcount=13

and think about it.

You will see that a blockquote is not meant to "indent text", but rather to mark it as "a (block-level) citation".

I never said anything about indenting text. But a blockquote is supposed to have a margin around the block of text. I've plenty of eBooks use a simulated blockquote using CSS and they make it have far too much margin about the block. 5% on all margins is just asinine. That's what a lot of the publisher use.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by Freeshadow

We had the same situation with omnibus editions in the MR library, remember?


Oh my even them doing it in a way other than Jon thinks is proper. *sigh* who's going to tell them to change it?

Why use a blockquote if it's not going to actually be a blockquote? A blockquote is meant to offset text by having a margin around block of text. By having no margins for a blockquote, you end up with it not actually being a blockquote. The amount of margin used is up to whomever. But there has to be a margin of enoug of a size to show the block of text is actually offset or it's not a proper blockquote.

[HarryT]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

Why use a blockquote if it's not going to actually be a blockquote? A blockquote is meant to offset text by having a margin around block of text. By having no margins for a blockquote, you end up with it not actually being a blockquote. The amount of margin used is up to whomever. But there has to be a margin of enoug of a size to show the block of text is actually offset or it's not a proper blockquote.

No, a blockquote is exactly what it says on the tin: an extended quotation. You CAN make it stand out from the rest of the text with margins, and that is the way that most browsers will display it by default, but it's not written in tablets of stone by a divine power that "thou shalt indent a blockquote". It's perfectly possible to make it stand out in some other way, such as using a different font, or displaying it in italics.

A blockquote is a semantic concept, not a visual one. Ask yourself this, for example: how would a text to speech program differentiate a blockquote from the surrounding text?

[Jellby]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

I never said anything about indenting text.

In this case, "indent" means margin (left margin, in particular). You are probably assuming it's only the first-line indent (or the text-indent property). From dictionary.com:

2. to set in or back from the margin, as the first line of a paragraph.

(note: "as the first line", not that it's only used for the first line)

Originally Posted by JSWolf

Why use a blockquote if it's not going to actually be a blockquote? A blockquote is meant to offset text by having a margin around block of tex.

Not so. First, a blockquote could be marked up only for archival purporses, for automatic processing, for indexing, etc. without any special typesetting. Second, if it is desired to set a blockquote apart from the surrounding text, having wider margins (indent) is only one of the options (the default in most browsers), but not the only one. I have seen real printed books with blockquotes in a smaller font (and normal margins), or with blockquotes with only a small top and bottom margin, or with no difference at all. I could also imagine someone wanting blockquotes to have just a grey background, or a border, or in a script font...

A blockquote is a block-level quotation, nothing should be assumed about its formatting.

[AlPe]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

I never said anything about indenting text.

Ok, for the sake of clarity (although, as Jellby noted, "indent" does not refer to the first line only), let me amend the previous post:



I am sorry, JSWolf, but you should really read my previous post (and follow the link to W3C):

https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sho...7&postcount=13

and think about it.

You will see that a blockquote is not meant to "put bigger margins around some text", but rather to mark it as "a (block-level) citation".

Said that, we have been elaborating on the concept for the last 10 posts or so, supporting our reasoning with examples and logics and providing links to the W3C documents. If you want to think about the explanations we are offering you, good. Otherwise I can easily move on with you believing what you want on the point, but please do not claim to be on the right side.

[JSWolf]

I'm sorry, but you are all plain wrong. You obviously have no idea the function of a blockquote. Read what I've put previously to know what a blockquote is.

[HarryT]

Let's go straight to the horse's mouth, Jon, and see what "w3.org" has to tell us about blockquotes:

http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/text.html#h-9.2.2

These two elements ([BLOCKQUOTE] and [Q]) designate quoted text. BLOCKQUOTE is for long quotations (block-level content) and Q is intended for short quotations (inline content) that don't require paragraph breaks.

See that, Jon? A blockquote "designates quoted text". No more, no less.

It goes on to tell us:

The usage of BLOCKQUOTE to indent text is deprecated in favor of style sheets.

[JSWolf]

Doesn't matter about that being deprecated. It still exists, it's still supported and it still works.