On the table: DRM trumps fair dealing (Canada) - Page 9

EricDP · 06-16-2010, 06:57 PM

When I was a broke student, I read all my books at the library. When I got a real job I started buying books. I paid because I thought it was fair, not because some rudimentary, easily circumveted, control forced me too.

This new bill, in my opinion, makes buying DRM-encumbered eBooks unfair (because I can't use them how I want), and the current pricing is also unfair, so I won't buy them. I'm back to getting my (newer) books at the library, and I'm mostly reading free classics now. I've reduced my spend on books by about $400/year because I don't agree with DRM. I guess that's really helping the artists make money.

CDs aren't DRM-encumbered, yet lots of musicians are still making lots of money... I will buy a CD because, even if this bill is passed as is, I can still make personal copies without being a criminal - that's something I won't be able to do with eBooks or movies.

DawnFalcon · 06-17-2010, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by EricDP

CDs aren't DRM-encumbered, yet lots of musicians are still making lots of money...

Indeed. One thing I applaud Philips for is refusing to let the CD logo be used on non-standard compliant DRM'ed "CD's". Check for the logo!

mr ploppy · 06-17-2010, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Iphinome

Looks like the CRIA have started their astroturf campaign on this bill. *looks around at some of the posts on moilberead*

http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/5123/125/

Explains a lot.

DawnFalcon · 06-17-2010, 01:04 PM

No SamIAm here yet, at least.

SamIAm
SamIAm
SamIAm

....

Hehe.

Iphinome · 06-23-2010, 03:06 AM

And more news. http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/5137/125/

Canadian Heritage Minister James Moore calls everyone who opposes the bill radical extremeists. Here's part of the list provided in the link.

* Liberal MPs
* NDP MPs
* Bloc MPs
* Green Party
* Canadian Consumer Initiative
* Association of Universities and Colleges of Canada
* Canadian Association of University Teachers
* Canadian Federation of Students
* Canadian Library Association
* Business Coalition for Balanced Copyright
* Retail Council of Canada
* Canadian Bookseller Association
* Documentary Organization of Canada
* Writers' Union
* Canadian Conference of the Arts

EricDP · 06-23-2010, 07:40 PM

Interesting that Bookseller Association and Writer's Union are opposed. Seems that neither the copyright holders or the users of copyrighted material are happy... How much more of a fail can this be?

Iphinome · 06-23-2010, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by EricDP

Interesting that Bookseller Association and Writer's Union are opposed. Seems that neither the copyright holders or the users of copyrighted material are happy... How much more of a fail can this be?

They opposed for a different reason than the rest, they object to there being fair use/fair dealing stuff in the bill. For the past 100 years or so the content industries have considered fair use to really be piracy. The list includes people who object because the bill goes too far and people who oppose because it doesn't go too far enough.

EricDP · 06-23-2010, 10:01 PM

I guess, then, nobody agrees and it's up to the government to determine what the majority of Canadians want - since we do live in a democracy... And the majority clearly believe in fair use and do not agree with DRM. Time for this government to represent.

Iphinome · 06-23-2010, 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EricDP

I guess, then, nobody agrees and it's up to the government to determine what the majority of Canadians want - since we do live in a democracy... And the majority clearly believe in fair use and do not agree with DRM. Time for this government to represent.

Government working for the people? Would you like a pony too?

EricDP · 06-24-2010, 08:30 PM

A form letter that you can edit and send to the Prime Minister, your MP, the opposition, and of course, Tony Clement.

http://www.ccer.ca/send-a-letter-to-...canadian-dmca/

pholy · 06-24-2010, 09:12 PM

Actually, it's James Moore, Minister of Heritage, who is most in favour of anti-circumvention. Tony thinks everybody already circumvents - including himself and his family...

Iphinome · 06-24-2010, 09:16 PM

Now he's trying to deny he made the comment, even in the face of video evidence http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/5142/125/

EricDP · 06-25-2010, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by pholy

Actually, it's James Moore, Minister of Heritage, who is most in favour of anti-circumvention. Tony thinks everybody already circumvents - including himself and his family...

Indeed, my mistake. James Moore's name is on the form as well. Can't keep my crooked politicians straight...

pholy · 06-25-2010, 08:52 AM

Well, Handel reminds us that there is only one who can "make the crooked straight, and the rough places plane"

pholy · 06-25-2010, 10:53 AM

And someone should remind the Honourable Minister of this quote, from one of his spiritual forebears:

Quote:

"I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice."
Barry Goldwater, 1964

Interested Extremists can look up the rest of the quote to see if he contradicts himself. I had to, and he doesn't.

06-16-2010, 06:57 PM	#121
EricDP Groupie Posts: 165 Karma: 339490 Join Date: May 2010 Device: nook, BlackBerry	When I was a broke student, I read all my books at the library. When I got a real job I started buying books. I paid because I thought it was fair, not because some rudimentary, easily circumveted, control forced me too. This new bill, in my opinion, makes buying DRM-encumbered eBooks unfair (because I can't use them how I want), and the current pricing is also unfair, so I won't buy them. I'm back to getting my (newer) books at the library, and I'm mostly reading free classics now. I've reduced my spend on books by about $400/year because I don't agree with DRM. I guess that's really helping the artists make money. CDs aren't DRM-encumbered, yet lots of musicians are still making lots of money... I will buy a CD because, even if this bill is passed as is, I can still make personal copies without being a criminal - that's something I won't be able to do with eBooks or movies. Last edited by EricDP; 06-16-2010 at 07:00 PM.

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06-17-2010, 01:04 PM	#124
DawnFalcon Banned Posts: 2,094 Karma: 2682 Join Date: Aug 2009 Device: N/A	No SamIAm here yet, at least. SamIAm SamIAm SamIAm .... Hehe.

06-23-2010, 03:06 AM	#125
Iphinome Paladin of Eris Posts: 3,119 Karma: 20849349 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: USAland Device: Kindle 10	And more news. http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/5137/125/ Canadian Heritage Minister James Moore calls everyone who opposes the bill radical extremeists. Here's part of the list provided in the link. * Liberal MPs * NDP MPs * Bloc MPs * Green Party * Canadian Consumer Initiative * Association of Universities and Colleges of Canada * Canadian Association of University Teachers * Canadian Federation of Students * Canadian Library Association * Business Coalition for Balanced Copyright * Retail Council of Canada * Canadian Bookseller Association * Documentary Organization of Canada * Writers' Union * Canadian Conference of the Arts

06-23-2010, 07:40 PM	#126
EricDP Groupie Posts: 165 Karma: 339490 Join Date: May 2010 Device: nook, BlackBerry	Interesting that Bookseller Association and Writer's Union are opposed. Seems that neither the copyright holders or the users of copyrighted material are happy... How much more of a fail can this be?

06-23-2010, 10:01 PM	#128
EricDP Groupie Posts: 165 Karma: 339490 Join Date: May 2010 Device: nook, BlackBerry	I guess, then, nobody agrees and it's up to the government to determine what the majority of Canadians want - since we do live in a democracy... And the majority clearly believe in fair use and do not agree with DRM. Time for this government to represent.

06-24-2010, 08:30 PM	#130
EricDP Groupie Posts: 165 Karma: 339490 Join Date: May 2010 Device: nook, BlackBerry	A form letter that you can edit and send to the Prime Minister, your MP, the opposition, and of course, Tony Clement. http://www.ccer.ca/send-a-letter-to-...canadian-dmca/

06-24-2010, 09:12 PM	#131
pholy Booklegger Posts: 1,801 Karma: 7999816 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Device: BeBook(1 & 2010), PEZ, PRS-505, Kobo BT, PRS-T1, Playbook, Kobo Touch	Actually, it's James Moore, Minister of Heritage, who is most in favour of anti-circumvention. Tony thinks everybody already circumvents - including himself and his family...

06-24-2010, 09:16 PM	#132
Iphinome Paladin of Eris Posts: 3,119 Karma: 20849349 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: USAland Device: Kindle 10	Now he's trying to deny he made the comment, even in the face of video evidence http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/5142/125/

06-25-2010, 08:52 AM	#134
pholy Booklegger Posts: 1,801 Karma: 7999816 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Device: BeBook(1 & 2010), PEZ, PRS-505, Kobo BT, PRS-T1, Playbook, Kobo Touch	Well, Handel reminds us that there is only one who can "make the crooked straight, and the rough places plane"

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