Author says give ebook to others to read. Publisher says copyright rules ..

Lynx-lynx · 08-10-2013, 07:11 AM

In the same ebook there are two instructions re copyright and reproduction:

The Black Mile
Mark Dawson
(free on Amazon today)

Page after Chapter 69
Thank you for reading!

If you enjoyed reading The Black Mile, I would appreciate it if you would help others to enjoy this book, too.

Lend it. This e-book is lending-enabled, so please, share it with a friend.

Recommend it. Please help other readers find this book by recommending it to friends, readers’ groups and discussion boards.

Review it. Please tell other readers why you liked this book by reviewing it at Amazon or Goodreads. If you do write a review, please send me an email at markjdawson@me.com so I can thank you with a personal email.

Mailing List. To subscribe to my mailing list, visit http://eepurl.com/Cai5X.

Best wishes,
Mark Dawson

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Copyright Information
The right of Mark Dawson to be identified as the author of this work has been asserted by him in accordance with the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988.

All rights reserved. No part of this publication may be reproduced, stored in a retrieval system, or transmitted, in any form or by any means, electronic, mechanical, photocopying, recording or otherwise, without the prior permission of the publishers.

This book is sold subject to the condition that it shall not, by way of trade or otherwise, be lent, re-sold, hired out or otherwise circulated without the publisher’s prior consent in any form of binding or cover other than that in which it is published and without a similar condition including this condition being imposed on the subsequent purchaser.

Black Dog Publishing
markjdawson@me.com

Formatting by Polgarus Studio
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Intentional or unintentional?

Two sets of instructions = which instruction counts? (If one wanted to be pedantic about it)

Lynx-lynx · 08-10-2013, 08:23 AM

I should add, this book shows on Amazon as being part of Soho's Noir series of books.

pdurrant · 08-10-2013, 08:25 AM

There's no contradiction. "[...] without the publisher’s prior consent [...]".

Clearly, by enabling Amazon's lending feature, the publisher has given consent.

And the bit you've highlighted in red only concerns the cover image "[...] in any form of binding or cover other than that in which it is published [...]".

The bit concerning not copying the book is the preceding paragraph, but that also is "[...] without the prior permission of the publishers"

HTH

Lynx-lynx · 08-10-2013, 08:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pdurrant

There's no contradiction. "[...] without the publisher’s prior consent [...]".

Clearly, by enabling Amazon's lending feature, the publisher has given consent.

And the bit you've highlighted in red only concerns the cover image "[...] in any form of binding or cover other than that in which it is published [...]".

The bit concerning not copying the book is the preceding paragraph, but that also is "[...] without the prior permission of the publishers"

HTH

Eh? Not sure I'm with you there and unfortunately I'm not in a position to review whether amazon's listed it as DRM free.

The author is saying you cangive the ebook to others to read, but it's connection (the author and the book) to Soho Noir is unclear to me.

(Sent from my phone - pardon typos)

Lynx-lynx · 08-10-2013, 08:37 AM

BTW I read the bit about the cover as being that you can't reproduce it by putting it in another cover.

Greg Anos · 08-10-2013, 08:40 AM

Lynx Lynx, what you are seeing the the pre-ebook boilerplate from the publisher. There is a reason behind every line, but it would take a page to explain them all...And most of them only applied to p-pooks...

mrscoach · 08-10-2013, 08:42 AM

The "lending enabled" wording means that you are allowed to loan out your kindle book once to someone for two weeks. The publisher has allowed this, but it is only once per book. So you are lending with the publisher's permission, but you cannot lend out again, or even"give it away". Does this clear it up?

pdurrant · 08-10-2013, 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lynx-lynx

The author is saying you cangive the ebook to others to read, but it's connection (the author and the book) to Soho Noir is unclear to me.

This is where you've got confused.

The author is NOT saying you can give the ebook to others. The author IS saying that you can use the lending scheme Amazon implement to loan the book to someone else (once), and that the author would be pleased if you used this facility.

pdurrant · 08-10-2013, 08:47 AM

As an aside, even if the author said they were happy for readers to give copies of the ebook to anyone they like, this might still not be sufficient for you to be allowed to do so.

If the author's contract with the publisher gives the publisher exclusive rights to publish and distribute the book, the author does not have the ability to grant such permission until the contract expires.

Lynx-lynx · 08-10-2013, 08:51 AM

As someone who does not own a Kindle, but gets ebooks from Amazon, I read the author's top statement as you can lend this ebook out without restriction.

If it was intended to mean something different then it should have stated so.

HarryT · 08-10-2013, 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lynx-lynx

As someone who does not own a Kindle, but gets ebooks from Amazon, I read the author's top statement as you can lend this ebook out without restriction.

If it was intended to mean something different then it should have stated so.

The author states "this book is lending-enabled". That is perfectly clear, and means that the book can be lent using Amazon's lending mechanism.

elcreative · 08-10-2013, 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lynx-lynx

As someone who does not own a Kindle, but gets ebooks from Amazon, I read the author's top statement as you can lend this ebook out without restriction.

If it was intended to mean something different then it should have stated so.

What could be clearer than "Lend it. This e-book is lending-enabled, so please, share it with a friend.

It doesn't say that you can share the book with everyone you know and anyone else you fancy... "...a friend." has a meaning as printed and it isn't multiple friends... just as "...lending-enabled..." has a specific meaning as mentioned above - one person for a fortnight...

Lynx-lynx · 08-10-2013, 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elcreative

What could be clearer than "Lend it. This e-book is lending-enabled, so please, share it with a friend.

It doesn't say that you can share the book with everyone you know and anyone else you fancy... "...a friend." has a meaning as printed and it isn't multiple friends... just as "...lending-enabled..." has a specific meaning as mentioned above - one person for a fortnight...

I'm just looking down my friends listing now for the person named 'a' friend

Lynx-lynx · 08-10-2013, 11:42 PM

Gosh so the various lending and copyright info related to Amazon Prime stuff eh. Mmmm, no wonder it didn't make sense to me

Australians are treated quite poorly by Amazon - they don't give us our own site, we have to use the US site where everything is stated in USD, including at the final checkout. Rude to say the least.

As to Amazon Prime - it just aint worth it. Here's one review that says most of all you need to know (if you're an Australian) and the title says it all:
“Amazon Prime: What They Don’t Tell You, Or How To Alienate International Customers”

'EH says:I suppose it could be worth it, but only if you live in the US, buy lots of physical goods, read an expensive kindle book and watch a lot of TV. Frankly, that’s not a lot of people'
(http://emiliehardie.wordpress.com/20...nal-customers/

The main reasons I use Amazon are to get their free ebooks and for price comparisons.

So, it seems to me that if they want to make their 'elending' stuff on books perfectly clear then they need to cater to purchasers by actually stating what they mean.

Of course, if Australians got their own Amazon website then matters such as this would possibly be clearer.

yue · 08-11-2013, 01:25 AM

I'm Australian and understood this perfectly. The issue is with your comprehension.

08-10-2013, 07:11 AM	#1
Lynx-lynx Treachery of images ... Posts: 4,069 Karma: 91561091 Join Date: May 2012 Location: Australia Device: Blackberry Playbook, Sony 650, Kobo Glo, H2O, Aura One, Forma, Libra 2	Author says give ebook to others to read. Publisher says copyright rules .. In the same ebook there are two instructions re copyright and reproduction: The Black Mile Mark Dawson (free on Amazon today) Page after Chapter 69 Thank you for reading! If you enjoyed reading The Black Mile, I would appreciate it if you would help others to enjoy this book, too. Lend it. This e-book is lending-enabled, so please, share it with a friend. Recommend it. Please help other readers find this book by recommending it to friends, readers’ groups and discussion boards. Review it. Please tell other readers why you liked this book by reviewing it at Amazon or Goodreads. If you do write a review, please send me an email at markjdawson@me.com so I can thank you with a personal email. Mailing List. To subscribe to my mailing list, visit http://eepurl.com/Cai5X. Best wishes, Mark Dawson ---------- Copyright Information The right of Mark Dawson to be identified as the author of this work has been asserted by him in accordance with the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988. All rights reserved. No part of this publication may be reproduced, stored in a retrieval system, or transmitted, in any form or by any means, electronic, mechanical, photocopying, recording or otherwise, without the prior permission of the publishers. This book is sold subject to the condition that it shall not, by way of trade or otherwise, be lent, re-sold, hired out or otherwise circulated without the publisher’s prior consent in any form of binding or cover other than that in which it is published and without a similar condition including this condition being imposed on the subsequent purchaser. Black Dog Publishing markjdawson@me.com Formatting by Polgarus Studio ---------------- Intentional or unintentional? Two sets of instructions = which instruction counts? (If one wanted to be pedantic about it) Last edited by Lynx-lynx; 08-10-2013 at 07:41 AM. Reason: formatting

08-10-2013, 08:25 AM	#3
pdurrant The Grand Mouse 高貴的老鼠 Posts: 71,495 Karma: 306214458 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Norfolk, England Device: Kindle Voyage	There's no contradiction. "[...] without the publisher’s prior consent [...]". Clearly, by enabling Amazon's lending feature, the publisher has given consent. And the bit you've highlighted in red only concerns the cover image "[...] in any form of binding or cover other than that in which it is published [...]". The bit concerning not copying the book is the preceding paragraph, but that also is "[...] without the prior permission of the publishers" HTH Last edited by pdurrant; 08-10-2013 at 08:27 AM.

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08-10-2013, 08:23 AM	#2
Lynx-lynx Treachery of images ... Posts: 4,069 Karma: 91561091 Join Date: May 2012 Location: Australia Device: Blackberry Playbook, Sony 650, Kobo Glo, H2O, Aura One, Forma, Libra 2	I should add, this book shows on Amazon as being part of Soho's Noir series of books.

08-10-2013, 08:37 AM	#5
Lynx-lynx Treachery of images ... Posts: 4,069 Karma: 91561091 Join Date: May 2012 Location: Australia Device: Blackberry Playbook, Sony 650, Kobo Glo, H2O, Aura One, Forma, Libra 2	BTW I read the bit about the cover as being that you can't reproduce it by putting it in another cover.

08-10-2013, 08:40 AM	#6
Greg Anos Grand Sorcerer Posts: 11,247 Karma: 35000000 Join Date: Jan 2008 Device: Pocketbook	Lynx Lynx, what you are seeing the the pre-ebook boilerplate from the publisher. There is a reason behind every line, but it would take a page to explain them all...And most of them only applied to p-pooks...

08-10-2013, 08:42 AM	#7
mrscoach Guru Posts: 762 Karma: 4837659 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: San Angelo Texas Device: Samsung Galaxy tab	The "lending enabled" wording means that you are allowed to loan out your kindle book once to someone for two weeks. The publisher has allowed this, but it is only once per book. So you are lending with the publisher's permission, but you cannot lend out again, or even"give it away". Does this clear it up?

08-10-2013, 08:47 AM	#9
pdurrant The Grand Mouse 高貴的老鼠 Posts: 71,495 Karma: 306214458 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Norfolk, England Device: Kindle Voyage	As an aside, even if the author said they were happy for readers to give copies of the ebook to anyone they like, this might still not be sufficient for you to be allowed to do so. If the author's contract with the publisher gives the publisher exclusive rights to publish and distribute the book, the author does not have the ability to grant such permission until the contract expires.

08-10-2013, 08:51 AM	#10
Lynx-lynx Treachery of images ... Posts: 4,069 Karma: 91561091 Join Date: May 2012 Location: Australia Device: Blackberry Playbook, Sony 650, Kobo Glo, H2O, Aura One, Forma, Libra 2	As someone who does not own a Kindle, but gets ebooks from Amazon, I read the author's top statement as you can lend this ebook out without restriction. If it was intended to mean something different then it should have stated so.

08-10-2013, 11:42 PM	#14
Lynx-lynx Treachery of images ... Posts: 4,069 Karma: 91561091 Join Date: May 2012 Location: Australia Device: Blackberry Playbook, Sony 650, Kobo Glo, H2O, Aura One, Forma, Libra 2	Gosh so the various lending and copyright info related to Amazon Prime stuff eh. Mmmm, no wonder it didn't make sense to me Australians are treated quite poorly by Amazon - they don't give us our own site, we have to use the US site where everything is stated in USD, including at the final checkout. Rude to say the least. As to Amazon Prime - it just aint worth it. Here's one review that says most of all you need to know (if you're an Australian) and the title says it all: “Amazon Prime: What They Don’t Tell You, Or How To Alienate International Customers” 'EH says:I suppose it could be worth it, but only if you live in the US, buy lots of physical goods, read an expensive kindle book and watch a lot of TV. Frankly, that’s not a lot of people' (http://emiliehardie.wordpress.com/20...nal-customers/ The main reasons I use Amazon are to get their free ebooks and for price comparisons. So, it seems to me that if they want to make their 'elending' stuff on books perfectly clear then they need to cater to purchasers by actually stating what they mean. Of course, if Australians got their own Amazon website then matters such as this would possibly be clearer.

08-11-2013, 01:25 AM	#15
yue Junior Member Posts: 7 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jul 2013 Device: Kobo Aura HD [Onyx]	I'm Australian and understood this perfectly. The issue is with your comprehension.

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