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Thanks - that makes sense. Any indication as to when this is likely to become law?
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I any case, I certainly agree with Harry that it's of little actual importance, as I can't see any action ever being taken against someone stripping DRM for personal use. /JB |
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Thanks, Graham.
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Deleted - just spotted a flaw in my argument...
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Given the lack of clarity in the law, and the fact that it's almost certainly never been tested in court, it's not surprising that we can't agree about what it means.
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My reading is that it is saying that removing DRM is equivalent to copyright infringement, and we know that copyright infringement is illegal. The other sections of the act which have been discussed in this thread refer to the creation, distribution etc. of DRM stripping tools. 296ZA is the one which applies to the actual act of removing the DRM. My understanding of why the other sections explicitly say "commits an offence", whereas 296ZA doesn't is that the others define distribution etc. for profit of these tools as a *criminal* offence, whereas DRM removal results in a civil liability to the copyright holder and others (as listed). As always, IANAL, so my interpretation could be utter rubbish, but that's the way it reads to me. /JB Last edited by jbjb; 12-21-2012 at 09:40 AM. |
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I got the impression circumventing DRM on your own is legal (especially for interoperability reasons) however distributing said tools isn't. But then, IANAL and I don't even play one on TV
Either way, the law changes are a very welcomed one and a much needed step in the right direction. Lots more remains to be fixed, but I think format shifting was overdue ever since using iPods and other mp3 players became mainstream. I'm also glad that the gov took a stance on the iTax and haven't implemented it. It's beyond silly to levy a tax on music players just because they "might" be used to infringe copyright. Aside from anything, the moment you do that it's just one more reason people will use to justify piracy, after all they've paid a tax for the content now. Meanwhile those of us who do abide by copyright laws and buy music/books, end up paying more for all our hardware. Is their a tax in the UK on paper because it might be used to copy books? Not been funny, that's a genuine question as afaik some countries do have such taxes, which seems rather silly to me, I'm just not sure if we do? I know several also have such taxies on recordable media too. Quote:
I fail to see how getting money at the price you asked for it when everyone bought the CD/Movie/Book isn't fair compensation? Why should it be considered unfair that we then copy that media into a format most suitable to the device we intend to consume it on? Be that a kindle, a phone, a desktop... I have to say, I'm rather surprised the government haven't implemented the iTax. I imagine that'll change in time though, but perhaps I'm just a jaded pessimist. Last edited by JoeD; 12-21-2012 at 10:56 AM. |
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