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05-13-2008, 09:13 AM | #62 |
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But deadly or not, the government in its wisdom has decided that tobacco is a legal drug to manufacture and sell. You can't shut down a company for producing a legal product. Everyone who buys it KNOWS that it will harm them, if used in accordance with the manufacturer's instructions. If you want to shut down the tobacco companies, you need to persuade the government to outlaw the drug, not punish the manufacturer who is acting in accordance with a flawed law.
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I'm not sure that "corrupt" is the appropriate word. It's more to do with the fact that, in both the US and the UK, about a quarter of adults still smoke, and it would be political suicide for any political party to propose banning such a widely-used drug as tobacco, dangerous though it is.
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Yes, of course we should in some cases. What is considered to be criminal changes all the time. And in practice you stop catching criminals before tha law is changed.
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Yes, because if you do not catch people that walks on red then the bombs will drop. Of course it must be that way.
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Why do people associate copyright infringement with theft ? Last time I checked theft was depriving people of property for personal gain. Copyright infringement was copyright infringement.
When I take someone's book without someone's permission, that's theft. (-1, +1) When I copy that book using a photocopier, it's copyright infringement. (0, +1) I've found an interesting article on the subject: http://www.gamasutra.com/view/featur...he_end_of_.php Quote:
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Pretending to be someone else.
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For the record, simply depriving someone of their legal property without permission, whether you gain from that act or not, constitutes theft. Gain is largely irrelevant. (In such case, the question becomes: Is an e-book considered a copyright holder's legal property?) The general consensus among MR members (if I may be so bold) is that the inherent and practical differences between physical property and electronic documents still need to be addressed by the world at large, and an agreement reached, as to what should be bound under copyright infringement and/or theft, or if new rules need to be applied, to enact an acceptable global stance on the matter. IOW, it hasn't really been decided. |
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http://techdirt.com/articles/20080306/003240458.shtml (IP is neither Intellectual nor Property) http://www.techdirt.com/articles/200...14250290.shtml (Differences between copyright and physical property) In other words, I don't think any consensus can be easily reached. Copying digital data costs very little, and there's no scarcity of goods. On the other hand, it's nice when book authors get something for their effort. On the third hand, was the world really worse before MTV ? Last edited by b0rsuk; 05-13-2008 at 04:43 PM. |
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There are lots of things that are fraud but the term Identify Theft is a particular kind of fraud. Fraud is theft by deception according to the law. If some one stole your identity what would you say happened to you? The identity hasn't really been stolen in the same sense that works you depend on for lively hood haven't been stolen. Maybe the fact that they emptied your bank account and destroyed your credit is merely a matter of infringing a bit on your copy right. Is that the way you would like to view it. Selling a work that someone else wrote is also fraud in that you didn't have permission but I think the idea of theft makes the severity of the crime more obvious.
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