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Old 09-28-2013, 03:56 PM   #16
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The KK also has much more memory, enough for 3500 books, than the PW. I could give up, reluctantly, the keyboard but I hate giving up the storage. I'll only go to the PW if my KK dies. Since I've disinfected my books I might even look and see if other lines like the Kobo have enough memory and move all my books to some other brand.
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With the KoBo you need to remove DRM from your amazon books then put them into epub format. And I think it uses the Mini SD chips for extra storage.

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The Kindle Touch has TTS.
Is the touch responsive? I am frustrated with my Paperwhite touch responsiveness. I have to touch it 2-3 times to turn a page sometimes.

I was considering the $69 Kindle 5 because it has buttons. But I don't think it has TTS. I really like TTS.

Are they going to update the K5 or discontinue it I wonder? Any speculation?
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Old 09-30-2013, 01:58 AM   #19
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The $69 Kindle is a Kindle 4, and no, it does not have TTS. The Kindle Touch and Paperwhite are Kindle 5.

The Touch is generally less responsive than the Paperwhite because it has a slower processor.
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The Touch is generally less responsive than the Paperwhite because it has a slower processor.
I have both a Touch and a PW and find them equally responsive when it comes to page turns. You're right of course in saying that the Touch has a slower CPU, but the only practical consequence of that (in my personal experience) is a slightly slower redraw time for things like complex PDF pages. For a normal Mobi book it makes no difference at all.
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Buttons break. Adding four buttons (two on each side) to turn pages is asking for issues. I miss the page turn buttons too, but I understand why they had to go.
I've been using kk for years now and buttons work as the first day. Not so the battery that's dying.
Also putting 2 buttons is cheap.

It's a problem of designs, is a touch model -> no buttons. I think is a stupid thing. Onyx box has buttons and touch, sd card, music. Yes it's a bit expensive but i'll pay the extra money in a kindle with that features.
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Interesting - I find that I can type a lot faster on the soft keyboard of the PW than on the rubber keys of the KK, especially given the rather convoluted method of getting at non-alphabetic symbols on the KK.
That's why I never warmed up to the KK: it eliminated the dedicated number keys the K2 had.
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Old 09-30-2013, 11:49 PM   #23
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I've got to get up and go right up the machine to see if it's working. Mike
Most printers have a built-in web interface that you can access from your PC/Laptop to see all sorts of info with your browser including problem codes, toner/ink levels, paper tray info, etc.
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Most printers have a built-in web interface that you can access from your PC/Laptop to see all sorts of info with your browser including problem codes, toner/ink levels, paper tray info, etc.
Yes, that's right. But my point was that the old system (buttons and LEDs) was simple. I only had to glance in the general direction of the printer to see what was happening. It seems to me that having to navigate to a web page to achieve that same result would be even less simple than having to get out of my chair and walk over to the machine.

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Old 10-01-2013, 12:57 PM   #25
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Is the touch responsive? I am frustrated with my Paperwhite touch responsiveness. I have to touch it 2-3 times to turn a page sometimes.

I was considering the $69 Kindle 5 because it has buttons. But I don't think it has TTS. I really like TTS.

Are they going to update the K5 or discontinue it I wonder? Any speculation?
Mine is responsive enough for me. It looks like it is the last touch screen Kindle to have speakers, TTS, and 4GB of storage. Those features have been sacrificed in the PW1 and PW2, and I think in the non-touch Kindle 4 as well.
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I have a lot of nostalgic appreciation for the KK. My first ereader was a Kindle 3 3G, which I thought for the last year had been lost on my honeymoon and that I just now refound! It is a terrific reader. I didn't realize how much I missed the physical page turn buttons.
I agree with HarryT that the system for typing numbers and symbols is rather difficult, but as far as the keyboard itself, I like it a lot. I find the D-pad to be surprisingly useful and easy as well.
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I have a lot of nostalgic appreciation for the KK. My first ereader was a Kindle 3 3G, which I thought for the last year had been lost on my honeymoon and that I just now refound! It is a terrific reader. I didn't realize how much I missed the physical page turn buttons.
I agree with HarryT that the system for typing numbers and symbols is rather difficult, but as far as the keyboard itself, I like it a lot. I find the D-pad to be surprisingly useful and easy as well.
My first Kindle reader (Sony PRS-505 was the first reader for me) was the K3 also. But I gave that to my hubby, who was a non-reader, and has now converted thanks to me

I miss the manual turn buttons. I also have the big Kindle 9.7" DX and I didn't like the weight, but the buttons were noisy, and I wanted a Paperwhite. I do love the PW, but I can't get to love the page turns. It seems to be hit and miss for me. Sometimes it works, sometimes not.

I think they are going to do away with manual buttons, and that bothers me so much that I think I have to get the $69 model before the discontinue that, but I wanted it lighted like the PW.
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Mine is responsive enough for me. It looks like it is the last touch screen Kindle to have speakers, TTS, and 4GB of storage. Those features have been sacrificed in the PW1 and PW2, and I think in the non-touch Kindle 4 as well.
Yeah I thought I would miss the larger storage in the PW, but when I actually fill it to capacity I notice it runs sluggish and I can't find the books I want to read anyway. It takes to much work and time to page through all of the books to find it. So now I only load the books I really want to read.

Well I see that model is discontinued as well. Goodbye TTS. I didn't use it all that much, but it was nice knowing it was there.
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Did I good ordering the Kindle 4 Non-Touch?
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The $69 Kindle is a Kindle 4, and no, it does not have TTS. The Kindle Touch and Paperwhite are Kindle 5.

The Touch is generally less responsive than the Paperwhite because it has a slower processor.
I went and ordered the Kindle 4 Non-Touch $69 because I am just tired of touch screens and was concerned they are going to discontinue that non-touch model. But now I am wondering were they going to update that model after I ordered it?

Guess I could call Amazon, but they aren't going to leak any info to me if they were going to update the model.

I tried the K4 at the store and I loved the fast page turns, and I missed the buttons. I am burned out on touch screens,
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I went and ordered the Kindle 4 Non-Touch $69 because I am just tired of touch screens and was concerned they are going to discontinue that non-touch model. But now I am wondering were they going to update that model after I ordered it?

Guess I could call Amazon, but they aren't going to leak any info to me if they were going to update the model.

I tried the K4 at the store and I loved the fast page turns, and I missed the buttons. I am burned out on touch screens,
If you like the device, then you did the right thing ordering it

TBH I don't think that there will be any groundbreaking new firmware updates to that device anymore. But then again, it already does everything it should
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