Before I click the "Add to cart" button

Moonraker · 07-21-2006, 06:58 AM

Wow, there sure is a lot of information about the iLiad here!

However, I am having difficulty finding the specific information I want.

All of my books are in HTML, XML or RTF formats and contain mostly text.
The majority do not contain images and therefore do not have additional folders containing images attached to them. They mostly consist of one file only.
I do not like PDF because of the large file size associated with it (PDF files are a bunch of images right?)

I am very fussy as to the appearance and format of my books as I read them.
I would like to know if they will appear on the iLiad as originally formatted or will they have broken lines and broken paragraphs etc. Will Bold, Italics, Centering be retained? And also, will I be able to increase the font size on the iLiad?

My finger is waiting to click that "Add to cart" button.

Thank you

vvoi666 · 07-21-2006, 07:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moonraker

I am very fussy as to the appearance and format of my books as I read them.
I would like to know if they will appear on the iLiad as originally formatted or will they have broken lines and broken paragraphs etc. Will Bold, Italics, Centering be retained? And also, will I be able to increase the font size on the iLiad?

the formatting for xhtml, rtf on the iliad will be the same, since the iliad has a dedicated html viewer (minimo, if i remeber correctly)

you can upload some samples and i'll shoot some pics of how the iliad displays your content

Riocaz · 07-21-2006, 07:13 AM

Your html and xml books will be fine on the iLiad.

rtf is a bit more of a problem, as it will been to be converted. But there are free convertors for rtf to html.

However, having played with them recently they do seem to bloat the file with unnessessary gumph. Which bugs me, even though it's not "visable" on the device.

Moonraker · 07-21-2006, 07:21 AM

>you can upload some samples and i'll shoot some pics of how the iliad >displays your content

Thanks VVOi666 - here is one sample.

ath · 07-21-2006, 07:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moonraker

I do not like PDF because of the large file size associated with it (PDF files are a bunch of images right?)

Depends. A PDF page can be nothing but an image, but it can equally well
by a series of typesetting instructions: put an 'A', then an 'n' then an 'd' ... and so on.

PDF based on images tend to be bulky, but other PDF's are fairly decent as regard space.

vvoi666 · 07-21-2006, 07:43 AM

not quite content with the focus, yet. i'll figure that out some day.

here is your sample html file on the iliad (no conversion, whatsoever). you may want to add some margins to the left and right. the cut off lines at the top and bottom might be from the viewer not supporting pages, yet. i think they promised that for the next vesion.

Moonraker · 07-21-2006, 08:02 AM

Quote:

here is your sample html file on the iliad (no conversion, whatsoever). you may want to add some margins to the left and right. the cut off lines at the top and bottom might be from the viewer not supporting pages, yet. i think they promised that for the next vesion.

Many thanks for your quick reply
The left and right margins were both set at "0" on the original HTML file so that is easily remedied.
However, I can't see what I can do with the top and bottom margins.
As you say, if this problem will be addressed in the next release then I am seriously considering clicking that "add to cart" button.

Thank you very much

rmeister0 · 07-21-2006, 08:11 AM

Quote:

I do not like PDF because of the large file size associated with it (PDF files are a bunch of images right?)

The answer is "it depends": PDF is a very flexible file format.

If you took, say, a word document and created a PDF from it using one of the many PDF printer drivers out there, then the answer is no. The PDF file actually contains the text of your document and the instructions a PDF reader needs to reconstruct the formatting of the page. Sometimes you read about programs that can convert PDFs back to text; they work by extracting the text portion of the file.

Now the Sony Libre had a PDF convertor that did convert a PDF file to a bunch of images, because the Libre itself did not have a native PDF reader. But that was not a limitation of the PDF format, but of the Libre.

If the author of the PDF file is smart he can create a 'tagged' PDF file, which allows the text to be reformatted on the fly (or 'reflow' as they call it). Except for a few commercial fiction books, I've never seen this used.

In my case I do have PDF files that are all images; scans of old magazines and paperbacks with damaged binding that I wanted to keep, but didn't want to spend the time and effort to do OCR on them. I'm bullish on PDF for this type of application, but for books which are just straight up text I'm HTML all the way just for reasons of file size, accessibility, and ease of conversion to other formats if necessary.

The GreatGonzo · 07-21-2006, 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rmeister0

If the author of the PDF file is smart he can create a 'tagged' PDF file, which allows the text to be reformatted on the fly (or 'reflow' as they call it). Except for a few commercial fiction books, I've never seen this used.

A lot of the free e-books at PlanetPDF are offered as tagged PDF files.
Has anybody tried those on the Iliad?

vvoi666 · 07-21-2006, 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moonraker

However, I can't see what I can do with the top and bottom margins.
As you say, if this problem will be addressed in the next release then I am seriously considering clicking that "add to cart" button.

yupp, from the software update thread -> https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6993

July/August features
Software version 2.5
Hotspot support
Apabi format (in Asia only)
"Re-open" a file on last read page
TEMPORARILY POSTPONED. Support for an E-Book DRM format (to be announced soon)
Page-break support in HTML (instead of scrolling)

Riocaz · 07-21-2006, 11:45 AM

Moonraker:

Seriously _PRESS IT_

Despite minor niggles (which you will know about if you have been reading the threads on the board) it is one of the most gorgeous pieces of kit I have ever laid my hands on.

Moonraker · 07-21-2006, 05:25 PM

Whooo-hooo I pressed that button.

I have order number 1005.

I am going on holiday on 12th September - I just hope it arrives beforehand.

Does anyone know how long we have to wait for delivery ?

Thanks to everyone.

NatCh · 07-21-2006, 05:38 PM

They seem to be running 4~6 weeks at the moment

Riocaz · 07-21-2006, 06:37 PM

They are claiming 3-5 weeks atm.

ath · 07-22-2006, 02:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The GreatGonzo

A lot of the free e-books at PlanetPDF are offered as tagged PDF files.

Tagging doesn't change the text in any way: if you run a tagged text (thus, is based on PDF 1.4) thorugh a reader that follows PDF 1.3, it will still work. The reader will just not be looking for the extra structures that contain the tagging information.

07-21-2006, 06:58 AM	#1
Moonraker Addict Posts: 314 Karma: 1002965 Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: UK Device: ILiad. Gen 3, PocketBook 360, Kobo Aura HD, Kindle Oasis 2	Before I click the "Add to cart" button Wow, there sure is a lot of information about the iLiad here! However, I am having difficulty finding the specific information I want. All of my books are in HTML, XML or RTF formats and contain mostly text. The majority do not contain images and therefore do not have additional folders containing images attached to them. They mostly consist of one file only. I do not like PDF because of the large file size associated with it (PDF files are a bunch of images right?) I am very fussy as to the appearance and format of my books as I read them. I would like to know if they will appear on the iLiad as originally formatted or will they have broken lines and broken paragraphs etc. Will Bold, Italics, Centering be retained? And also, will I be able to increase the font size on the iLiad? My finger is waiting to click that "Add to cart" button. Thank you

07-21-2006, 07:13 AM	#3
Riocaz Fulfilled but not by iRex Posts: 932 Karma: 286846 Join Date: May 2006 Location: London Device: Far too many	Your html and xml books will be fine on the iLiad. rtf is a bit more of a problem, as it will been to be converted. But there are free convertors for rtf to html. However, having played with them recently they do seem to bloat the file with unnessessary gumph. Which bugs me, even though it's not "visable" on the device. Last edited by Riocaz; 07-21-2006 at 07:16 AM.

07-21-2006, 07:43 AM	#6
vvoi666 Zealot Posts: 100 Karma: 29 Join Date: May 2006	not quite content with the focus, yet. i'll figure that out some day. here is your sample html file on the iliad (no conversion, whatsoever). you may want to add some margins to the left and right. the cut off lines at the top and bottom might be from the viewer not supporting pages, yet. i think they promised that for the next vesion. Attached Thumbnails

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Riocaz Fulfilled but not by iRex Posts: 932 Karma: 286846 Join Date: May 2006 Location: London Device: Far too many	Moonraker: Seriously _PRESS IT_ Despite minor niggles (which you will know about if you have been reading the threads on the board) it is one of the most gorgeous pieces of kit I have ever laid my hands on.

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