11-22-2011, 08:02 PM | #181 |
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I own both the K3 (that I just picked up today for 89 bucks) and the KT. I have looked extensively at both screens, and I find the K3 more pleasing to the eye, the background is just a shade brighter/warmer. Again, it is such a tiny difference that it is splitting hairs - both are nice screens. If I had to pick one though, I would go with the K3 as the slightly better screen.
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11-22-2011, 09:02 PM | #182 |
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I received a replacement K3 yesterday and was able to compare it with my older K3. I placed them side by side near a window. I thought the indirect light was falling on them both very evenly and the new one which was slightly further from the window looked a little bit better and the background a little bit less gray. Then I switched them and was surprised to see that now the old one looked better in a similar manner. I was shocked at how much a difference I could notice in basically the same lighting conditions depending upon slight variations in placement. These screens are harder to accurately compare than I expected.
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11-23-2011, 11:26 AM | #185 | |
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From my own experience, I was happy with the K4 screen, then people say K3's is superior, out of curiosity I check it out and measured it using my i1 pro spectrophotometer, which is way more sensitive, accurate and consistant than eyeballing(which is why they're invented anyway, to detect the most subtle difference in color/brightness), they're the same screen. Then some are saying earlier version of the K3 is the superior one, I checked it out again(sept or oct 2010 version, it was pre-ordered) and did the measurement, same screen... The only thing that is measurable and noticeable is that the screens have slightly different color hues(even within the same model) which has nothing to do with K3 vs K4. So I would expect amazon to have similar conclusion. But we'll see how amazon responds I guess |
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11-23-2011, 12:34 PM | #187 | |
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11-23-2011, 12:49 PM | #188 | |
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But that has nothing to do with saying one is better than the other as fact. To say A is better than B as fact, they need to be tested under a controlled environment with consistently repeatable & measurable result. Especially when we're talking about minute differences here. Last edited by shinew; 11-23-2011 at 12:53 PM. |
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11-23-2011, 01:13 PM | #189 |
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Sounds to me like someone who has been dealing with the issue enough to know something has changed on the newer Kindles. Let's hope enough people say enough that Amazon switches back or finds some one equivalent or better to manufacturer the screens on the next Kindles.
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11-23-2011, 03:16 PM | #190 |
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Sounds promising Zeebra, thanks. I got an E-mail response asking me to phone them to discuss this issue with them in more detail. I plan to call them later today.
Shinew, to be honest, your controlled test data is interesting but not very useful, in my case at least. It's interesting to look at even the differences you can see (or at least I can see) between the Amazon Kindle ads. Have a look and compare the background colour of these ~1/2 way down, right margin, where they show off the formatting options screenshots; K3; http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...famstripe_kk3g K4nt; http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0051QVESA/..._menu_kdptqso3 I think you'll see that the K4 has a much greyer screen, even under the ideal lighting that I'm sure Amazon would have used. Last edited by ThomasC; 11-23-2011 at 03:19 PM. |
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For those who firmly believe K3 has a more contrasty screen than the K4, all I can say is enjoy your K3 & good luck trying to resolve whatever you find fault with the K4 screen |
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11-23-2011, 04:44 PM | #192 | |
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Tom's hardware had a good close-up of the text and the K3 seemed sharper around the edges. I honestly believe a firmware fix will solve this. Heck moving to every 6 pages as a full refresh (or optionally turning it off) could well and truely had an impact on perceived text contrast. |
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11-23-2011, 04:56 PM | #193 | |
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Edit Update; Talked to CS for ~15 minutes today. Actually had them look at their two ads (K4 and K3 keyboard) and they could see the difference too. Anyway, they are going to get their tech services people to investigate this and agreed it might just take a firmware fix to sort this out. Personally I think that it would be a good idea to allow for some customer controlled contrast control on all e-ink kindles. All I can do for now. Cheers, Tom Cheers, Tom Last edited by ThomasC; 11-23-2011 at 05:33 PM. |
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11-24-2011, 12:13 AM | #195 |
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I haven't posted here very often, but I was at a different Kindle forum where there was a bit of hysteria, and thought I'd come over here. This was the first thread that caught my eye.
I have a DXG, a K3, and a Touch. The screens look virtually identical on all of them. It's hard for me to believe there's a difference between the models when the people who have actually tested them with instruments have found them to be the same. I thought I'd count the number of people in this thread who say that they've looked at both units, and count the ones on either side. 14 people say the screens are the same or the K4 is better, and 12 say the K3 is better. It looks like more people are saying the K3 is better because the same few people on that side are posting over and over. So, those few people, instead of seeing their situations as isolated cases, have concluded that there's a systemic problem, even though most people say the new screen is the same or better, and tests have shown them to be the same. This is fascinating to watch. Last edited by mikeschr; 11-24-2011 at 12:15 AM. Reason: corected "saying K3 is better" |
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