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catsittingstill · 06-02-2008, 09:30 AM

I've got a Mac, so a lot of the Mobipocket creation software just doesn't work for me.

Is there a way to hand code mobipocket markup, like you can with html? If so, where can I find a list of the tags and what they do?

Nate the great · 06-02-2008, 09:36 AM

Search this forum for "MobiPerl". It's a Mobi ebook maker written in Perl. (Perl is platform independent.)

igorsk · 06-02-2008, 09:58 AM

From what I can figure out in Java code:
1) Grouping is enabled only for publication types "newspaper", "magazine" and "nownow".
2) For magazines and newspapers grouping is done by title.
3) For NowNow items group is extracted from xml in the "idenitifier" tag.

HarryT · 06-02-2008, 10:02 AM

Presumably it knows that it's a subscription. Some "special case" handling for that, perhaps? This is pure speculation on my part!

slm · 06-02-2008, 10:16 AM

If I'm reading Igorsk's post correctly, all you would need is to set type to "newspaper" (as the WSJ example earlier does) and set the "Title" attribute to the Folder name you want to use. Then eveyr file which has type newpaper and the same Title attribute would be in shown as if in a folder and the Longtitle would be used once you enter the folder.

Igorsk: is that what the code does?

If so, I'm hoping to try setting a few books this way later today with mobi2mobi. It would be really great is if it were this simple because I'm guessing a simple GUI for creating folders could be done.

Of course your books would show up when you set it to view Periodicals only, but so what?

tompe · 06-02-2008, 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by igorsk

From what I can figure out in Java code:
1) Grouping is enabled only for publication types "newspaper", "magazine" and "nownow".

Is this the booktype thing? For WSJ this was called NEWS.

slm · 06-02-2008, 08:58 PM

OK, I can now make folders!!

I used a command line like this:
mobi2mobi --outfile wsj4.mobi --booktype "257 - NEWS" --title "WSJ" kitty.mobi
to make the book Kitty Goes to Washington appear in the same folder as an actual enews file called (you guessed it) "WSJ" (The other "WSJ" file was created by Mobipocket Web Companion 4.9 and so has booktype "257 - NEWS" automatically).
The only problem is that since both have the title set to "WSJ" (the folder name) both appear as "WSJ" when you open the grouping.
On a real Kindle, something else is used to get the name inside the grouping. I know this both because the real newspapers have a "date" after the name and because one of my subscriptions ("Opinionated") changed the name that appears there after a couple of weeks and the older ones appear as one name, the newer ones as another.
The problem is I don't know what attribute the Kindle looks to to override "title" when show the members of the group?
Any ideas?
Igorsk, is it visible in the Java code?

tompe · 06-03-2008, 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slm

OK, I can now make folders!!

I used a command line like this:
mobi2mobi --outfile wsj4.mobi --booktype "257 - NEWS" --title "WSJ" kitty.mobi
to make the book Kitty Goes to Washington appear in the same folder as an actual enews file called (you guessed it) "WSJ" (The other "WSJ" file was created by Mobipocket Web Companion 4.9 and so has booktype "257 - NEWS" automatically).
The only problem is that since both have the title set to "WSJ" (the folder name) both appear as "WSJ" when you open the grouping.
On a real Kindle, something else is used to get the name inside the grouping. I know this both because the real newspapers have a "date" after the name and because one of my subscriptions ("Opinionated") changed the name that appears there after a couple of weeks and the older ones appear as one name, the newer ones as another.
The problem is I don't know what attribute the Kindle looks to to override "title" when show the members of the group?
Any ideas?
Igorsk, is it visible in the Java code?

"--booktype 257" is the correct flag. Your variant probably worked because when the string "257 - NEWS" was converted to a number it was converted to 257.

tompe · 06-03-2008, 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slm

On a real Kindle, something else is used to get the name inside the grouping. I know this both because the real newspapers have a "date" after the name and because one of my subscriptions ("Opinionated") changed the name that appears there after a couple of weeks and the older ones appear as one name, the newer ones as another.
The problem is I don't know what attribute the Kindle looks to to override "title" when show the members of the group?
Any ideas?
Igorsk, is it visible in the Java code?

If you run mobi2mobi on the files were the name was changed can you see the names that appear in the output?

It isn't the publishing date that is shown?

Nate the great · 06-03-2008, 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slm

OK, I can now make folders!!

I used a command line like this:
mobi2mobi --outfile wsj4.mobi --booktype "257 - NEWS" --title "WSJ" kitty.mobi

This command does not work for me, nor does any variation of it. I've tried it on a group of 3 ebooks. They still show up as 3 ebooks, not one.

Tompe, what are the possible entries for booktype? I want to try them.

slm · 06-03-2008, 12:17 PM

I set the "title" to the same name ("WSJ") in this case, because Igorsk's email says that the grouping is by title. Together with the 257 booktype, this makes a group. The trouble is that they all show up in the group with the same name ("WSJ") in this case. If I set the publication date, it will show to the right of the title.

So I got a "group" called WSJ,
Each item was called "WSJ" some with dates
Some of the items really were the wall street journal, others were Kitty Goes to Washington when you open it.

This doesn't really work very well because the all the items look them same except for dates. I guess you could use it for a series of books by setting the dates January 1, January 2, etc to indicate which book in the series it is.

I tried inserting other information from the EXTH list but it didn't show up on the contents page. I also tried supplying a string that to publicaiton date that wasn't interpretable, but that caused the book to be taken out of the grouping.

tompe · 06-03-2008, 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nate the great

This command does not work for me, nor does any variation of it. I've tried it on a group of 3 ebooks. They still show up as 3 ebooks, not one.

Tompe, what are the possible entries for booktype? I want to try them.

The ones I know about are:

Code:

my %booktypedesc = (2 => "BOOK",
                    3 => "PALMDOC",
                    4 => "AUDIO",
                    257 => "NEWS",
                    258 => "NEWS_FEED",
                    259 => "NEWS_MAGAZINE",
                    513 => "PICS",
                    514 => "WORD",
                    515 => "XLS",
                    516 => "PPT",
                    517 => "TEXT",
                    518 => "HTML",
                   );

wallcraft · 10-22-2008, 04:37 PM

Bob Butler and GatorDeb seem to have this completely sorted out in Is there a program that will merge prc files and.... The command is:

mobi2mobi filename.prc --title "foldername" --author "book title" --booktype "257" --outfile kindlefilename.prc

The trick is that the folder name is taken from the title field (we knew that), and the title is now taken from the author field.

GatorDeb · 10-23-2008, 03:20 PM

Well, two folders were created beautifully but three folders refuse to appear. I've done the EXACT same thing to ALL files, and only two folders are cooperating. I cannot figure it out. The books themselves ceased to appear also (so something IS being changed, but no idea why it refuses to show the other folders).

06-02-2008, 08:58 PM	#22
slm Fool Posts: 377 Karma: 3557934 Join Date: Feb 2003 Device: Kindle Voyage, Kindle PW1, Kobo Glo HD, Nook Glowlight Plus ...	Some good news OK, I can now make folders!! I used a command line like this: mobi2mobi --outfile wsj4.mobi --booktype "257 - NEWS" --title "WSJ" kitty.mobi to make the book Kitty Goes to Washington appear in the same folder as an actual enews file called (you guessed it) "WSJ" (The other "WSJ" file was created by Mobipocket Web Companion 4.9 and so has booktype "257 - NEWS" automatically). The only problem is that since both have the title set to "WSJ" (the folder name) both appear as "WSJ" when you open the grouping. On a real Kindle, something else is used to get the name inside the grouping. I know this both because the real newspapers have a "date" after the name and because one of my subscriptions ("Opinionated") changed the name that appears there after a couple of weeks and the older ones appear as one name, the newer ones as another. The problem is I don't know what attribute the Kindle looks to to override "title" when show the members of the group? Any ideas? Igorsk, is it visible in the Java code?

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06-02-2008, 09:30 AM	#16
catsittingstill Guru Posts: 643 Karma: 551634 Join Date: Dec 2007 Device: Kindle 1.0.8, iPod Touch, Kindle Keyboard	I've got a Mac, so a lot of the Mobipocket creation software just doesn't work for me. Is there a way to hand code mobipocket markup, like you can with html? If so, where can I find a list of the tags and what they do?

06-02-2008, 09:36 AM	#17
Nate the great Sir Penguin of Edinburgh Posts: 12,375 Karma: 23555235 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: DC Metro area Device: Shake a stick plus 1	Search this forum for "MobiPerl". It's a Mobi ebook maker written in Perl. (Perl is platform independent.)

06-02-2008, 09:58 AM	#18
igorsk Wizard Posts: 3,442 Karma: 300001 Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Belgium Device: PRS-500/505/700, Kindle, Cybook Gen3, Words Gear	From what I can figure out in Java code: 1) Grouping is enabled only for publication types "newspaper", "magazine" and "nownow". 2) For magazines and newspapers grouping is done by title. 3) For NowNow items group is extracted from xml in the "idenitifier" tag.

06-02-2008, 10:02 AM	#19
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,544 Karma: 93383043 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	Presumably it knows that it's a subscription. Some "special case" handling for that, perhaps? This is pure speculation on my part!

06-02-2008, 10:16 AM	#20
slm Fool Posts: 377 Karma: 3557934 Join Date: Feb 2003 Device: Kindle Voyage, Kindle PW1, Kobo Glo HD, Nook Glowlight Plus ...	If I'm reading Igorsk's post correctly, all you would need is to set type to "newspaper" (as the WSJ example earlier does) and set the "Title" attribute to the Folder name you want to use. Then eveyr file which has type newpaper and the same Title attribute would be in shown as if in a folder and the Longtitle would be used once you enter the folder. Igorsk: is that what the code does? If so, I'm hoping to try setting a few books this way later today with mobi2mobi. It would be really great is if it were this simple because I'm guessing a simple GUI for creating folders could be done. Of course your books would show up when you set it to view Periodicals only, but so what?

06-03-2008, 12:17 PM	#26
slm Fool Posts: 377 Karma: 3557934 Join Date: Feb 2003 Device: Kindle Voyage, Kindle PW1, Kobo Glo HD, Nook Glowlight Plus ...	I set the "title" to the same name ("WSJ") in this case, because Igorsk's email says that the grouping is by title. Together with the 257 booktype, this makes a group. The trouble is that they all show up in the group with the same name ("WSJ") in this case. If I set the publication date, it will show to the right of the title. So I got a "group" called WSJ, Each item was called "WSJ" some with dates Some of the items really were the wall street journal, others were Kitty Goes to Washington when you open it. This doesn't really work very well because the all the items look them same except for dates. I guess you could use it for a series of books by setting the dates January 1, January 2, etc to indicate which book in the series it is. I tried inserting other information from the EXTH list but it didn't show up on the contents page. I also tried supplying a string that to publicaiton date that wasn't interpretable, but that caused the book to be taken out of the grouping.

10-22-2008, 04:37 PM	#28
wallcraft reader Posts: 6,975 Karma: 5183568 Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mississippi, USA Device: Kindle 3, Kobo Glo HD	Bob Butler and GatorDeb seem to have this completely sorted out in Is there a program that will merge prc files and.... The command is: mobi2mobi filename.prc --title "foldername" --author "book title" --booktype "257" --outfile kindlefilename.prc The trick is that the folder name is taken from the title field (we knew that), and the title is now taken from the author field.

10-23-2008, 03:20 PM	#29
GatorDeb Evangelist Posts: 447 Karma: 5365 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sin City Device: PW2 + HDX 8.9	Well, two folders were created beautifully but three folders refuse to appear. I've done the EXACT same thing to ALL files, and only two folders are cooperating. I cannot figure it out. The books themselves ceased to appear also (so something IS being changed, but no idea why it refuses to show the other folders).