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Old 06-09-2009, 02:34 PM   #1
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Request/Questions About Sorting and Navigation

I used this great program pretty much daily, and there are two things that I would like to be able to use calibre to do, but I don't think that I can do it now (or I can't figure it out). I've done a search, but couldn't really find anything (not to say the information isn't there, but just probably hidden due to the large number of posts):

1. Be able to sort the Author field by what is actually in the author field rather than what is the in the author sort field. Since the author field tends to be first name last name, by sorting on that field, I'd like to see it sorted by first name last name, rather than what is in the author sort field, which tends to be last name first name (I also find that this particular field is often a combination of differing naming conventions). Maybe even adding the author sort column to the layout, so both would be available for sorting.

2. Be able to navigate to the next or previous book while in the "edit metadata individually" screen.

Like I said, maybe there is a way to do this now so if there is, please let me know. Otherwise, I'd like to see these features added to this awesome program.
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Old 06-09-2009, 07:31 PM   #2
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I suggested the Author field issue in a bug a long time ago. (At the very least, there needs to be an option for an Author Sort column listing instead.)
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Old 06-10-2009, 02:50 PM   #3
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For 2 select all the books you want to edit the metadata for. click the arrow next to the edit metadata button and select edit metadata individually. Now it will have the behavior you want
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Old 06-12-2009, 09:38 AM   #4
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Thanks for the tip, it works perfectly.

How about the sort by author feature? Is there a way to do that now, or if not, will one be added in the future?
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Old 06-12-2009, 10:46 AM   #5
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It's not on my TODO list, but patches are welcome
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Old 08-13-2009, 06:10 PM   #6
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It's not on my TODO list, but patches are welcome
I know I'm being a PITA, but I don't understand why you don't seem to think this is a big deal. I've been a computer programmer and data managment consultant for 34 years. One of the most basic of design concepts is that the sort order of a column of data matches the data display. If The column displays last-name, first-name it should sort on last-name, first-name. To make it worse, a name like Cooper, James Fenimore sorts with the Fs. This is a no-brainer. This alone is making me not want to use Calibre. It's just too frustrating.

Sorry for venting, but I've spent hours upon hours just trying to load my files into the Calibre library and get a simple display by author.
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Old 08-14-2009, 03:31 AM   #7
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Sorting on author surname is the normal thing to do. When did you ever see a list of books arranged by the first name of their authors?

I am entirely in agreement with Kovid about this one.
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Old 08-14-2009, 05:55 AM   #8
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That's my point. Did you actually read my post? Or did i confuse you by using the term "last name" instead of "surname"? OK, I want to sort on surname. The same way the column is displayed. But it is sorting on first name. Or middle name if there is one. Or sometimes just randomly. Simply put, I want it to sort the same way it is displayed. I don't want it to display properly as surname, first name - title but have it sorted as (sometimes) first name, surname - title. I want the simple option to have it display by the author name field, not the author sort field.

Why is this such a freaking hard concept to grasp?
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Old 08-14-2009, 06:45 AM   #9
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Does the book metadata have this?:

Author: Cooper, James Fenimore
Author Sort: Fenimore, Cooper, James

That would be the only way it would sort it with the F's, and the solution is to write the right Author Sort: "Cooper, James Fenimore" (and you could change Author, if you wish, which you probably don't, to "James Fenimore Cooper").
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Old 08-14-2009, 07:01 AM   #10
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I know I'm being a PITA, but I don't understand why you don't seem to think this is a big deal. I've been a computer programmer and data managment consultant for 34 years. One of the most basic of design concepts is that the sort order of a column of data matches the data display. If The column displays last-name, first-name it should sort on last-name, first-name. To make it worse, a name like Cooper, James Fenimore sorts with the Fs. This is a no-brainer. This alone is making me not want to use Calibre. It's just too frustrating.

Sorry for venting, but I've spent hours upon hours just trying to load my files into the Calibre library and get a simple display by author.
Because there is nothing wrong with the way it's set up currently?

The field is highlighted Author, the author's name is James Fenimore Cooper. If you have set-up the author sort field to have Cooper, James Fenimore it is correctly interpreting Cooper as the surname and sorting by that (only if you click on author, which as per convention means to sort by that heading).

If the name is actually James Fenimore-Cooper then you would actually need the hyphon to make it a properly defined double-barrelled name (and therefore sortable on F), other wise Calibre (correctly) interprets the Fenimore as a middle name.

If you want it set-up to sort by James Fenimore Cooper simply copy the name into the author sort field. about the only thing Calibre really needs is an option to do that by default, which given the current method is the universally accepted way of actually searching/sorting for an author obviously isnt going to be a priority.

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Old 08-14-2009, 07:04 AM   #11
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Prior to 0.6.6 Calibre incorrectly "inverted" author names on import, so a book with an author of:

Trollope, Anthony

would end up with an author sort field of:

Anthony, Trollope,

so it sorted under "A" rather than under "T".

This has been fixed in 0.6.6.
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Old 08-26-2009, 04:05 AM   #12
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Not fixed

Sorry to say so, but this Problem is not fixed.

My books are all named like this: surname, first name - series+index - title, because the sony reader only sorts by author surname this way.

Now if I'm adding new books to calibre, it gets the author field correctly (surname, first name) but the sort by author field is first name, surname, thus the sorting by author does not work.

It's a real pain in the ass to always have to change this in manually in the sort by author field. Would it really be so very hard to include some kind of setting possibilities? Like you can change how calibre is to read the data from the filename, why can't you change the order the author field data is imported in the sort by author field.

I'd really really really appreciate that.

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Old 08-26-2009, 04:52 AM   #13
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This is strange. For Mobi books at least, Calibre correctly handles author metadata in both "firstname lastname" and "lastname, firstname" formats, correctly setting the "author sort" field to "lastname, firstname" in both cases. What format is it that you're importing?
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Old 08-26-2009, 02:55 PM   #14
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I have to agree with Caramelia, I just downloaded 0.6.8 yesterday and imported my first several hundred eBooks. One of the reasons I wanted to use Calibre was to deal with the mess of naming conventions my current collection has.

I've got books from the same author listed differently. Some seem to have come in correctly, some are jumbled. It almost looks like the comma (,) gets parsed as a separator in a list of author names sometimes.

I'd agree that having the ability to select different versions of the Author column would be a useful feature. I'd think "Smart Author" (the current column), "Author Name" and "Author Sort" would work well.

What about looking into using one of the meta-data look-up sites to try to auto-fix names? It should be possible to identify that "Asimov, Isaac" is "Isaac Asimov" but that "Ringo, Cochrane" isn't a single person.
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