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She was being sarcastic, but it's admittedly hard to tell in this thread.
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The reason capitalism is so prevalent is because it thrives on the same greed and selfishness that ultimately destroy theoretically better/fairer systems.
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And that's why I have a serious problem with PayPal's behavior. I'm fairly confident that what they find obscene is different from what I find obscene, but they force me to follow their definition, and justify it by saying that my definition is wrong or at least less right and less valid, than theirs. |
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de Sade would be my choice. That would ensure there'd be relatively little for the zealots to burn.
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Could not agree more. EDIT: With the caveat that only those who want to be exposed to the less conventional side-effects will be exposed to them. The whole not forcing things goes both ways, just because certain sub-genres exist doesn't mean that those who dislike them should be forced to read them. It's their choice if they want to miss out |
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1) Your definition is, "The dictionary says X, but it doesn't make sense and leaves all sorts of unanswered questions." So how do you specifically define obscenity? 2) Must PayPal (or any business) perform business transactions that involve materials they have deemed to be obscene simply because you do not deem them to be obscene? If so, isn't that effectively saying that their definition is less right or less valid than yours? |
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My objection is that these sorts of things MAGICALLY! only ever get applied to books with Naughty Bits in them. There's a LOT of fiction that I find depraved; very little of it is erotica.
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Some organizations won't do business with "pornography," which they don't define. Amazon, for example, doesn't allow "pornography" in its KDP program... but they allow both romance & erotica. They don't say what it is they don't allow. Banks don't do business with obscene content (which is not illegal per se, but doesn't have 1st amendment protection and therefore can be illegal) or illegal content, but that's not the same as "don't allow books depicting illegal acts," or, as has been noted, there would be no murder mysteries. These specific categories are PayPal's invention, not an attempt to comply with bank rules. |
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Well....he certainly partook in most of the things he wrote about and quite enthusiastically too. I imagine that meant he supported them too, at least if they were done voluntarily. Justine too is all satire of course, moral rather than political, and not than an incitement to ravish and sexually assault overly naive and excessively prudish young women, no matter how annoying they may be.
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The basic guidelines for the trier of fact must be: (a) whether 'the average person, applying contemporary community standards would find that the work, taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest, (b) whether the work depicts or describes, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct specifically defined by the applicable state law; and (c) whether the work, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value. So: not just "offensive," but sexual and offensive, *and* lacks artistic (etc) value. (I say "etc" because artistic is probably the lowest bar to meet, although political also covers a lot of ground.) It also established "community standards" as relevant, which is a huge kettle of worms today, because nobody knows what "community" counts for online content. |
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Another near-human universal, found in all but the worst regimes, is that the censorship is inconsistent. That's good, since you can generally figure out a way to express your ideas while evading the censors. I'm against censorship as much as the next person, so long as we don't demonize some group or country or religion which in reality allows a relatively wide range of expression. P.S. Just to be clear, I understand WT Sharpe to be pro-Japan. My last sentence was an allusion to other contributions in this thread. Last edited by SteveEisenberg; 02-29-2012 at 08:23 PM. |
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