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Old 09-10-2012, 04:28 PM   #31
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Shrug. I'm not Apple, so it isn't like it it hurting me, it is just boring. The same posters, basically the same posts, again and again and again. The same 'jokes' ad nauseum.
That shrug would be a whole lot more believable if you didn't post indignant responses in every thread that suggests Apple is something less than a gift from heaven. If it's really not hurting you, why bother to post anything?
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Old 09-10-2012, 05:03 PM   #32
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That shrug would be a whole lot more believable if you didn't post indignant responses in every thread that suggests Apple is something less than a gift from heaven.
I honestly don't think that is a fair summary of my position.
I don't think Apple can do no wrong.
I just think they occasionally do some right as well, and that not all the evils of the world can be placed on their shoulders.
(And believe me, there are plenty of similar threads I didn't post in. It was the accumulation that made me rant.)
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Old 09-10-2012, 05:39 PM   #33
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I'm not a total Apple hater. I bought an iPod Nano because nobody handles Podcasts like an iPod. I bought my wife an iPhone because she's not a techie and has trouble figuring out the the TV remote. Apple makes things simple that work. I applaud them for that.

What I can't stand is that they charge a premium price for everything. And now all these latest law suits trying to stifle their competition, especially when they started out by copying other's designs.
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Old 09-10-2012, 06:45 PM   #34
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Looking at the crazy price competition, I'm speculating that in about 10 years, tablets will be sold like calculators -- so cheap that we longer talk about it. How about that?
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Old 09-10-2012, 06:47 PM   #35
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Except that good calculators - which haven't changed in years - are still quite expensive. Said she, having had to purchase 2 graphing calculators for her high school kids. there's really no competition to bring the price down.
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Old 09-10-2012, 06:54 PM   #36
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I'm not sure Amazon doing *one* premium model alongside three value models means they've gone Boutique.
To me it means they don't expect the LTE model to sell enough to get a particularly high volume on the custom modem chip. That quoted price is for a generic (thicker) chip that is produced in very high volumes, not Amazon's custom chip. Which hasn't been FCC-approved yet.
I see the LTE FIRE as akin to the Dodge Viper or Chevy Corvette, a "Halo" product intended for low volumes with low-volume pricing just to show they can play with the "big boys", tech-wise. Think of it as a shot across Apple's bow; "We're closer to you than you like to think."

If you're a value buyer and $499 offends you, that is fine; the product is not meant for you anyway. (You wouldn't be dropping $499 or higher on an iPad anyway.)
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Old 09-10-2012, 07:00 PM   #37
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Except that good calculators - which haven't changed in years - are still quite expensive. Said she, having had to purchase 2 graphing calculators for her high school kids. there's really no competition to bring the price down.
Generic four-bangers may be Dollar Store material but the pro models have stabilized at decent but hardly bargain prices.
http://www.shopping.hp.com/en_US/hom...edPricing-desc

If tablets prove to be more than a passing fad, their prices are likely to stabilize somewhere a bit higher than blister-pack calculators. Probably in the $99 range for the entry-level.
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Old 09-10-2012, 07:17 PM   #38
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Shrug. I'm not Apple, so it isn't like it it hurting me, it is just boring. The same posters, basically the same posts, again and again and again. The same 'jokes' ad nauseum.
Feel free to use the "ignore" option.
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Old 09-10-2012, 07:20 PM   #39
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I'm not sure Amazon doing *one* premium model alongside three value models means they've gone Boutique.
To me it means they don't expect the LTE model to sell enough to get a particularly high volume on the custom modem chip.
I agree, I expect the WiFi model to largely outsell the LTE one and become the "bread & butter" of Amazon's tablet portfolio.
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Old 09-10-2012, 08:24 PM   #40
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I don't know how the general public or even the "Kindle attuned" public will act in the long run to Bezos new pricing scheme, but I will say this:

If Steve Jobs had come out with this, people would say "wonderful, a true genius, and storm the stores trying to get one in the right color."
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Chanting "MiMo WiFi, MiMo WiFi" endlessly.
Of course, Jobs would've called the modem feature by some cool trademarked name, like "AirZap", to hide the fact that it's a feature available on other equally good or better devices.
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Feel free to use the "ignore" option.
This began as a thread on an interview with Jeff Bezos concerning the new Kindle models. But - for whatever reason - halfway into the thread Apple-haters show up and start talking bashing Apple and its users.

I don't really think that stuff like this is productive at all - and it's not like there is any shortage of other threads where Apple can be bashed.
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To me it means they don't expect the LTE model to sell enough to get a particularly high volume on the custom modem chip. That quoted price is for a generic (thicker) chip that is produced in very high volumes, not Amazon's custom chip. Which hasn't been FCC-approved yet.
I see other Amazon devices making use of that chip in the near future -- phone, mobile hotspot?
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I see other Amazon devices making use of that chip in the near future -- phone, mobile hotspot?
A phone yes, mobile hotspot no.
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I see other Amazon devices making use of that chip in the near future -- phone, mobile hotspot?
I'm thinking Amazon didn't design that chip solely for a low-volume tablet so a 4G phone is looking like a certainty. And with the Fire shipping in Nov, I could see the phone shipping early next year once the chip yiellds improve.
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This began as a thread on an interview with Jeff Bezos concerning the new Kindle models. But - for whatever reason - halfway into the thread Apple-haters show up and start talking bashing Apple and its users.

I don't really think that stuff like this is productive at all - and it's not like there is any shortage of other threads where Apple can be bashed.
You know what they say, if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.
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A phone yes, mobile hotspot no.
Probably.
The hotspot wouldn't have much in the way of attached services, would it?
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