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Old 01-21-2010, 07:04 AM   #121
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That's because you don't understand what the word "romance" means, in a literary context, Jon. It has nothing to do with "love stories".
"Romance" has multiple meanings in a literary context - and one of them most definitely does have to do with "love stories".

I think most of us know it's the "love story" context that this particular poll is all about.

What are the odds on the discussion about Romance descending into fisticuffs before the votes are counted?
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Old 01-21-2010, 07:11 AM   #122
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"Romance" has multiple meanings in a literary context - and one of them most definitely does have to do with "love stories".

I think most of us know it's the "love story" context that this particular poll is all about.

What are the odds on the discussion about Romance descending into fisticuffs before the votes are counted?
That's what I presumed (love stories) when I read the category for this month. Not the the "classical definition" of romance.
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Old 01-21-2010, 07:27 AM   #123
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That's because you don't understand what the word "romance" means, in a literary context, Jon. It has nothing to do with "love stories". A romance was the predecessor of the novel, and was an adventure story, normally with "stock characters" such as a knight errant, and a heroic quest. The main character in "Don Quixote" attempts to be a figure out of a romance (with disastrous consequences).

Mallory's "Morte d'Arthur" is unquestionably a romance. "Robinson Crusoe" is arguably one.

Star Trek. There is a King, a loyal but flawed super knight, a soothsayer, etc. All versions of Trek follow the pattern. They are even arranged in a round setting, except the King always gets the good chair in the middle.

There's always a damsel in distress.

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Old 01-21-2010, 07:33 AM   #124
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"Romance" has multiple meanings in a literary context - and one of them most definitely does have to do with "love stories".
Of course it does, yes. I was just saying that the reason Jon didn't consider "Morte d'Arthur" to be a "romance" was simply that he was unaware of the original meaning of the word.
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Old 01-21-2010, 08:55 AM   #125
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Interesting nominations so far, but not much representing contemporary mainstream romance.

Anyone got a good example to suggest?
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Old 01-21-2010, 12:48 PM   #126
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Mallory's "Morte d'Arthur" is unquestionably a romance. "Robinson Crusoe" is arguably one.
I thought 'Robnson Crusoe' was supposed to be the first 'novel' (I think I remember that at least ).

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Of course it does, yes. I was just saying that the reason Jon didn't consider "Morte d'Arthur" to be a "romance" was simply that he was unaware of the original meaning of the word.
And I even posted a link to a definition of 'high romance'...

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Interesting nominations so far, but not much representing contemporary mainstream romance.

Anyone got a good example to suggest?
Contemporary mainstream romance seemed to be of little interest in the participants in this thread - why I suggested the 'Seven Gables' - but personally I wouldn't mind trying a 'real' romance novel, not just a novel with a love story or something equally almost, but not quite, a romance novel.

We have some real romance novel fans hanging out here; could you not suggest something that you'd suggest to people who've never read a romance novel before? Something well written and with a bit of something for everyone?
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Old 01-21-2010, 12:51 PM   #127
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I thought 'Robnson Crusoe' was supposed to be the first 'novel' (I think I remember that at least ).


And I even posted a link to a definition of 'high romance'...


Contemporary mainstream romance seemed to be of little interest in the participants in this thread - why I suggested the 'Seven Gables' - but personally I wouldn't mind trying a 'real' romance novel, not just a novel with a love story or something equally almost, but not quite, a romance novel.

We have some real romance novel fans hanging out here; could you not suggest something that you'd suggest to people who've never read a romance novel before? Something well written and with a bit of something for everyone?
The problem is (at least on my end) is that I was hoping to get the guys involved, and in general they're not going to be interested in the modern romance books. But if one is looking for a place to start, I suggest "Romancing Mr. Bridgerton" by Julia Quinn. That's the book that got me started on romance
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Old 01-21-2010, 01:02 PM   #128
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I will second "Romancing Mr. Bridgerton" by Julia Quinn.

Dunno if I'll enjoy it, but it might be educational.
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Old 01-21-2010, 01:10 PM   #129
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I thought 'Robnson Crusoe' was supposed to be the first 'novel' (I think I remember that at least ).
There's lots of debate about when the transition from "romance" to "novel" occurred - that's why I said that Robinson Crusoe was "arguably" a romance. Many would say that the first genuine English novel was Samuel Richardson's "Pamela".
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Yes, a good romance can appeal to anyone.
But try finding a good one. That's the problem. They either don't appeal to a wide range of people or they are just really poorly written or both.
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ARGHHH!!!! HOW WOULD YOU KNOW IF YOU'VE NEVER READ ONE???????

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I put my feelers out on a book review email list, asking for recommendations of romance novels that would appeal to both men and women. One of the founding premises of the list is that it's supposed to enable members to move beyond their reading comfort zone and take a chance on things they wouldn't normally consider reading.

Pride and Prejudice, Jane Eyre and Wuthering Heights keep popping up, so I'd like to nominate those. I can't find Bob's post with the books that already have three nominations, so I apologize if any of these already have 3 nominations.
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Pride and Prejudice, Jane Eyre and Wuthering Heights keep popping up, so I'd like to nominate those. I can't find Bob's post with the books that already have three nominations, so I apologize if any of these already have 3 nominations.
Sorry, but that just takes it too far. I don't care if they are classics or not, I cannot abide these books. Not saying they should be eliminated from the vote (after all majority rules) but I just wait till March then to read the book club book. And yes, I have read those books. Under protest even twice and they didn't improve (at least in my eyes).
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