04-23-2012, 08:24 AM | #16 |
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Bad grammar is rude.
It's asking me, the reader, to do the work to figure out what you're trying to say, rather then you, the writer, writing it in a such a way as to make its meaning clear. Less work for you, more work for me. As I say: rude. |
04-23-2012, 08:28 AM | #17 |
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I think the real problem is that the rules of grammar are changing, and things that are acceptable now were not always so. This means some one using the older grammar rules reading modern text would say it is bad, when in fact it is not.
For example, the use of "shall" is almost completely gone from American English, so sentences where "shall" is the correct word we now use "will." This would be bad grammar under the previous understanding of what "will" is used for. So, IMO, good grammar will always be important, just what that means will continue to shift like it always has. |
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Only if you want the average reader to read your book.
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Attention to detail is important. Care in one's work is important. Consideration of others is important. Appreciation of quality is important. Effective and clear communication is important. And shooting for higher than barely acceptable minimums is important. That's in all things, not just writing. But so much of what we do, both in academics, when we are supposed to be building foundations, and after, when we are supposed to be building on those foundations, depend on written communication that there there is no better place to both apply, and also demonstrate those things. And yes, I also agree that's rude to demand your reader do the work of organizing and disambiguating your meaning when you should have done it ahead of time. It speaks volumes to the reader, be the reader a book customer, a judge, a teacher, a potential employer or potential client, or in fact anyone who will have to get to know you primarily through your verbal communications, which, unless you find your self in an Adam and Eve, Garden of Eden type situation, is just about everyone. Also, while I think it may be noble of you, as a reader, to be willing to make the effort of weeding through bad grammar to get a point and not judge the writer harshly because it, it's not good to suggest to a writer that it's OK to take that approach. ApK Last edited by ApK; 04-23-2012 at 09:22 AM. |
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Agreed, grammar is changing for good and bad. Everyone's got a story about "that guy" who turned in a paper written entirely in text message speak, and then there's my own personal gripe about block formatting and the death of the tab character.
That having been said, I'm not perfect either. I've always had trouble with "its" and "it's," so I tend to use the former exclusively. Maybe its because the teachers made such a big deal about it in school or something; sometimes the best way to make someone screw up is to get them to think about what they're doing. The other one that annoys me is the whole argument about commas and quotation marks. People have told me that you have to bookend your quotes with commas, even when another punctuation mark (like a period or question mark) would be more appropriate. Quote:
Thankfully, I didn't run into it in college. People were more concerned about other things and grammar check wasn't one of them unless things got real bad. They were more concerned with papers that could pass turnitin.com and its plagarism check. |
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I can remember going to my daughter's school parents day. Looking through her English books her teacher had given her nine out of ten for a story she had written. When I questioned her teacher and pointed out that the essay was full of spelling mistakes and punctuation errors, I was told that they “Don't like to stifle the children's creativity.”! |
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While I would always make note a grammar or spelling mistake on student's papers, I never reduced grades because of them, especially at the University levels. To me, that's as bad as forcing a student to put up their hand and ask permission to go to the toilet. Toilet training, or the academic equivalents, grammar and spelling, should be kept to the primary schools, after which, no one should pay attention to either good or bad usage. Focus should be on content. Spend more time on content learning and less on toilet training and there is less 'dumbing down' in the schools. In my 'humble' opinion, that is. Stitchawl |
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You just gave me work then, working out that you meant by rather then, rather than, rather than. Not easy is it?
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Grammar is essential.
Split infinitives I'm okay with. Sentence-ending prepositions too, but just barely. If I see a grammatical or spelling error in a book, I have to stop, find my red pen, and underline it. This is quite troubling on a nook. |
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Maybe you've heard about the trend of youngsters who are now using keyboard-equipped smartphones taking the trouble to type their words and grammar correctly, to show off their phones and their writing prowess.
Resorting to textspeak is lazy and suggestive of a lack of education, and that is not lost on those who have to read it. Sure, if you're back-and-forthing about your latest school crush or the movie you just saw, it's no big deal. But in polite and formal situations, proper spelling and grammar are still expected: It marks them with friends and strangers as intelligent people who care about the things they write. Bottom line: If you want people to think you have a brain, write properly. |
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