07-05-2013, 02:23 PM | #16 |
Grand Sorcerer
Posts: 19,226
Karma: 67780237
Join Date: Jul 2011
Device: none
|
And if you're tired of taking magic seriously you can always read the Rincewind books from Discworld that spoof the usual character traits and add a good dose of social satire to the mix.
|
07-05-2013, 02:41 PM | #17 |
Inharmonious
Posts: 416
Karma: 2157616
Join Date: Jan 2013
Device: Sony PRS-950, Galaxy Tab 2 10.1
|
Nah, they're too old to be any good. The Colour of Magic was released in 1983....
|
07-05-2013, 04:05 PM | #18 |
Member
Posts: 10
Karma: 10
Join Date: Jul 2013
Device: Asus
|
Well its actually just logic im not saying the books are bad or anything like that dont get me wrong there they are just more evolved into more fantasy? i dont know if that described it better.
@Istvan srsly u didnt understand what i meant ^^ i thought that would happen (i also know what u mean) Last edited by Owna; 07-05-2013 at 04:16 PM. |
07-05-2013, 04:29 PM | #19 |
Grand Sorcerer
Posts: 19,226
Karma: 67780237
Join Date: Jul 2011
Device: none
|
|
07-05-2013, 04:46 PM | #20 |
Guru
Posts: 631
Karma: 7544080
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Berlin
Device: PRS 350, Kobo Aura
|
It is not logical at all
It is true, that Fantasy in a whole is in a much better shape than 20-50 years ago. But that has nothing to do with people "didn't have the same standards as ppl do now you know we know more stuff now and newer kind of thinking creativ and shit", but that it is a much more accepted and liked genre than before. Much more authors were raised reading fantasy and now writing it. Publishers search for Fantasy to publish. A fantasy-like children book has made millions of fans and money, the Lord of the Ring movies earned a fortune. You will find much more great science-fiction books, that are older, than fantasy, because of the acceptance of it as "Literature". So, the quantity of "good" fantasy books raises (of course the quantity of "bad" books also, but even comissioned books are often of a better quality now, maybe because of better editing and better authors, because of more money to earn). But of course good fantasy books have been written before A Game of Thrones. First and foremost "The Lord of the Rings". If you haven't read it, do it! It is THE Book of the genre. In fact, one thing that is often critized about fantasy is the endless repetition of this books plot and structure. I too like "modern" fantasy in general more, but there are excellent books out there, that were written before the 2000th. You can't judge a single book by its publish date, even if "may" can say something about a genre/market/field in general, that never translates back to the single item. |
07-05-2013, 05:11 PM | #21 |
Guru
Posts: 631
Karma: 7544080
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Berlin
Device: PRS 350, Kobo Aura
|
Now I seei, I haven't given any recommendations
I second the Malazan Books, but with the warning, that they are much more complicated both in plot and style, than anything on your reading list and with the usual caveeat, that the first book in the series is maybe not the best entry, so the second book is recommended) "The Song of Ice and Fire", would be my second recommendation (but no or very few wizards in here ). Joe Abercrombie is also excellent, but he too is light on wizards. Even if you know the movies, read the Harry Potter Books. Your reading list sugests that you will love this books. Since you seem to be german, I will recommend at least one german author: Walter Moers. He is brilliant. One of the best fantasy or phantatstic writers alive. I know, his comics are debatable, but his books are just genius. I recommend "Rumo", for it is the most "Fantasy-like" book of him. But "The City of dreaming books" ("Die Stadt der träumenden Bücher") is equaly brilliant. |
07-05-2013, 06:05 PM | #22 | |
Ex-Helpdesk Junkie
Posts: 19,422
Karma: 85397180
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: The Beaten Path, USA, Roundworld, This Side of Infinity
Device: Kindle Touch fw5.3.7 (Wifi only)
|
Quote:
And to be honest, Pratchett has evolved his writing skills -- The color of Magic is not his best (although still good.) P.S. I agree that this whole "People long ago (from at least ten years ago) didn't know how to write" thing is a little ridiculous. If nothing else, even you @Owna must agree that there can and will be exceptions, as with everything. |
|
07-05-2013, 06:06 PM | #23 |
eReader
Posts: 2,750
Karma: 4968470
Join Date: Aug 2007
Device: Note 5; PW3; Nook HD+; ChuWi Hi12; iPad
|
I would definitely go for the foundations:
Lieber's Fafhrd and Mouser books are brilliant, and you can just dip in and out of them as they are primarily collections rather than novels. Robert E. Howard is someone you may want to stay away from. He did some very strong stuff, but I don't think it fits the tone you're looking for. Eddings might fit, the Belgariad is a very well-done coming of age story. |
07-05-2013, 10:12 PM | #24 | ||
cacoethes scribendi
Posts: 5,809
Karma: 137770742
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Australia
Device: Kobo Aura One & H2Ov2, Sony PRS-650
|
Quote:
Quote:
Writing styles have changed over the generations, and readers grow to have different expectations as to how a story will be told. As a result it can be easier to appreciate a story that is told in a way that has become familiar to you. This doesn't just apply to fantasy, much the same is true for all art forms. It's tempting to argue that readers have become more credulous, that we are more willing now to accept wild jumps of the imagination, but it's harder to accept such an argument when you look back over some of the stories of the past. What has changed, perhaps, is that we now more readily recognise these things as fantastical, but still we read and enjoy them. |
||
07-06-2013, 02:20 AM | #25 |
Inharmonious
Posts: 416
Karma: 2157616
Join Date: Jan 2013
Device: Sony PRS-950, Galaxy Tab 2 10.1
|
|
07-06-2013, 03:39 AM | #26 |
The Grand Mouse 高貴的老鼠
Posts: 71,504
Karma: 306214458
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Norfolk, England
Device: Kindle Voyage
|
I strongly recommend Diane Duane's Young Wizards series. It sounds like you'd prefer her "New Millennium" editions of the series, which have all been updated to have a consistent time-line, the time-line starting about ten years ago.
And they're currently on special offer. You can get the first eight in the series for $35.24 using the 25% off coupon WARPLUS when you buy both the bundle of 7 and the latest volume. |
07-06-2013, 06:39 AM | #27 |
temp. out of service
Posts: 2,792
Karma: 24285242
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Duisburg (DE)
Device: PB 623
|
I'd add trudi canavans books placed in kyralia to the list.
LeGuin's Earthsea too. Regarding your "older stuff's no good" opinion (which I won't discuss here - too much a topic derail) I disrecommend reading Discworld books. This not because I classify them as "older"; by ignoring the classics of the genre as you do, you simply lack (or at least have huge gaps in) the common frame of reference. You'd miss so much gags, references and allusions that you might end up asking yourself why people think those books are funny at all. |
07-06-2013, 06:45 AM | #28 |
eBook Enthusiast
Posts: 85,544
Karma: 93383043
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: UK
Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6
|
I find it inconceivable that anyone could claim to be a fantasy fan and not have read "The Lord of the Rings" - the book which essentially created the fantasy genre. "I've seen the movies" is not a good reason .
|
07-06-2013, 08:07 AM | #29 |
cacoethes scribendi
Posts: 5,809
Karma: 137770742
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Australia
Device: Kobo Aura One & H2Ov2, Sony PRS-650
|
And "essentially created the the fantasy genre" is a bit of a stretch, Harry The success of LotR certainly had a big impact on its modern popularity, but he didn't create it. Tolkien acknowledges influences from William Morris and George MacDonald - both are authors of fiction recognised as fantasy now, even if it may have been called something different at the time (eg: Prose romances). And you can keep going back and back, finding more that - today - would be called fantasy (if they could find a publisher).
|
07-06-2013, 08:10 AM | #30 | |
Guru
Posts: 631
Karma: 7544080
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Berlin
Device: PRS 350, Kobo Aura
|
Quote:
I think nearly nobody gets all the references and jokes, how many depends on your knowledge of the referenced material, with is not just fantasy but science, classical literatur, philosophy, history and many more. So even if you lack in one area, there is plenty to be amused anyway. The special cases being books that focus on some source material, like Rincewind on classic Swords&Sorcery and slapstic-movies, the witches as above etc. But many of the references are so common in our culture that you would get even some of them without having read the original (anybody knows King Kong or Tarzan or Dracula, even without having read it or seen a movie) |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Hemlock and the Wizard Tower - new fantasy novel | bthrowsnaill | Self-Promotions by Authors and Publishers | 32 | 08-04-2012 11:52 AM |
Eye of the Wizard, a fantasy adventure | DArenson | Self-Promotions by Authors and Publishers | 55 | 12-13-2011 01:06 AM |
Street Magic (Urban Fantasy (US) $2.99 | NightBird | Deals and Resources (No Self-Promotion or Affiliate Links) | 1 | 06-15-2011 05:17 PM |
Uncommon Magic - YA fantasy romance | mscott9985 | Self-Promotions by Authors and Publishers | 0 | 04-06-2011 07:13 PM |