11-18-2013, 07:04 PM | #61 |
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Your browser is malfunctioning; the link points to the following specifict post (here it is in isolation):
https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sho...4&postcount=14 That fug-ugly massive black bar at the bottom is anything but "button-less". All three buttons are clearly there, although in reduced shape. That's irrelevant. What matters is that the bar itself is, for me, an absolutely unacceptable waste of screen real estate. To you, it may be the peak of ecstasy, but I'm not you. It's ugly and unacceptable, especially now with KitKat's "immersive mode" being available. |
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As for being put off by a black bar that takes up such a tiny portion of a 7" screen, that is your choice. But even after immersion you are still going to have a BLACK border on the bottom of your pages. It will be your device you're looking at so I suppose you will think that is fugly too. Because aesthetically it will look essentially the same -- only the page portion will be slightly proportionally larger. Quote:
And, no, the black bar is certainly not the "peak of ecstasy" to me .. but neither is it an "ugly, massive black bar" that disrupts my reading enjoyment. Far from it. In fact, it's totally a non-issue. I don't even notice it since it blends totally into the black frame of my tablet. It's neither here nor there for reading epubs. Yes, I know you are different from me. So we will just agree to disagree on everything. Where I think immersion will really make the biggest difference is video, PDFs, comics and other graphics-based ebooks. --Pat |
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11-18-2013, 11:23 PM | #63 |
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I'm happy to report that my Nexus 4 and Nexus 7.2 are both up to date. They're running the latest version of Android ...4.3
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11-19-2013, 04:47 AM | #64 |
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No, your browser is dysfunctional; both of the links I gave (especially the second one) point to a specific post. The massive black bar at the bottom is there, it's an unacceptable waste of screen real estate for me. You're free to believe whatever you want. Day 19, and Android 4.4 is still not available here for 2013 Nexus 7.
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First my on-topic response to this thread: I am looking forward to the Android 4.4 OTA update of my Nexus 7 (2013). While I could see some folks being irritated that the roll out is gradual it doesn't bother me at all. But to say it is Day 19 of the rollout ...
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Now once reading via the volume keys if you wish to get back to the toolbar you need to tap twice. Once to exit the volume key turning mode and a second time to show the toolbar. The fact that your device may actually operate different than a Nexus 7 was politely pointed out to you in the next post (quoted below). Quote:
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Telling someone in multiple posts to check their settings after they told you how they were setup is arrogant. You didn't even have a similar device to test this on. And he explained that the developer said there was nothing he could do on the Nexus 7 until 4.4. Both of the links he posted go directly to a specific post as evidenced by their endings #post2635184 and &postcount=14. One link opens up at exactly the post he wants you to read and the other only shows you the post itself, either way if your "browser works just fine" then you seem to be being purposefully difficult. Quote:
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Why you keep insisting on comparing apples and oranges is beyond me. If you don't have first hand experience then providing advice sometimes fails. After your first attempt and subsequent posts you should have realized that a Nook is not the same as a Nexus 7 a long time ago. Quote:
If you had looked at the images he pointed you to, you would have seen that if a parchment type of background is used then having the black space on the screen could be like a sore thumb to some folks and it is obviously bothering Faterson. At this point in the thread I have to believe you are trolling him for fun, it might be time to move along and let him stew in his anticipation of getting the Kitkat update. Now I have to change my volume keys back to the way they were before. Last edited by DoctorOhh; 11-19-2013 at 06:36 AM. |
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My browser works just fine. First, when I asked Faterson which screenshot he was referring to, he had not yet posted the link that only went to the specific post. The link he posted went to the ENTIRE page and he had multiple posts on that page in which he posted screenshots. Second, from the very beginning he was talking specifically about "3 Android buttons" and the initial links he posted went to a screenshot that had no buttons (just a black bar). But other screenshots on that page did have buttons. So there was immediately a disconnect between what he wrote and his initial links.
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But when he wrote "3 Android buttons" this is precisely what I thought he was talking about: And the second image is what I was referring to when I said "what MOST people would consider the software buttons on an Android screen" ... in other words, buttons that are in their visible state, not barely perceptible. I know I used a different screenshot in my previous post, but I just grabbed what was quickly available on the web at the time to show visible software buttons. The second image was actually cropped from a screenshot Faterson did post on the page he linked to in this thread (hence, the confusion as to what screenshot he was referring to when talking about "3 Android buttons"). I do believe MOST people would not consider the first screenshot to be representative of "3 Android buttons" ... but rather the second one. It was only later in my conversation with Faterson that I realized we were talking about 2 different things. Given that disconnnect, a lot of the discussion between Faterson and me is actually "moot" as I already pointed out. And so are many of your comments, DoctorOhh. For example, no, my device does not perform exactly as Faterson would like. Quote:
1) The "3 Android buttons" in their visible state that I thought he was complaining about do not appear in the Nexus 7 when using Moon+ in reading mode. So I believed he was complaining just to complain. 2) The black bar he complained about from an aesthetic point of view will essentially still be there with KitKat because his Nexus device is black. So with immersion, instead of this ... ... he will be seeing this: Can anyone in their right mind seriously state there is a big aesthetic difference between the last two images? Complaining just to complain and making a mountain out of a molehill is classic trollish behavior. --Pat |
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This is why you need to look at the images in the post he pointed you to. Those images are not mock ups but actual screen shots from his Nexus 7. What he sees now and will actually see under Kitkat is: The entire screen will be his book the bottom black bar will not be there neither will the status bar at the top. The only difference is he will no longer have to use the volume keys nor will he have to tap twice to see the Moon+ toolbar. Last edited by DoctorOhh; 11-19-2013 at 10:34 AM. |
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... and not this ... If he had been referring to what is shown in the first image, then, yes, my device would be behaving exactly as he wished. But since it ended up he was referring to something else then, no, my device does not behave exactly as he wanted. As I said in my last post yesterday: "A lot of this conversation is moot because of this difference." Maybe if you had read that, you would have a better understanding of what went on. Quote:
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Maybe he should paint the frame of his Nexus a parchment color! Then he will get a true immersion experience when KitKat finally comes! --Pat Last edited by PatNY; 11-19-2013 at 11:35 AM. |
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Thanks, DoctorOhh, nothing to add to that. Explaining the same thing all over and over again is more than can be reasonably expected of anyone. |
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It's about waste of screen real estate. Android 4.3 wastes Nexus 7's screen real estate, but Android 4.4's immersive mode does not waste Nexus 7's screen real estate. It's like 2 + 2 = 4. Everything is crystal-clear, everything has been said. Let's move along. |
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So now instead of "fat ugly black bars" you will have thinner ugly black bars adjacent to your reading page. --Pat |
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I very much hope and trust it will no longer be needed to explain the same thing again for the fifteenth time. Last edited by Faterson; 11-19-2013 at 12:07 PM. |
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Your making a big thing out of this (design aspect) is what really led me to believe you were trolling. If you had a silver, white or other colored device, that would be different. But you don't. You do not need to explain your opinions any further, Faterson. I know (now) what you meant. I just disagree with most of them. --Pat Last edited by PatNY; 11-19-2013 at 12:24 PM. |
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There will be 100%, radical, total difference. Last edited by Faterson; 11-19-2013 at 03:56 PM. |
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