Finally filled up my Kindle 2

sirbruce · 03-27-2009, 03:28 AM

I loaded about 1700 books total onto it, and there was about 50MB free. But overnight it went to 0MB indexing them all. However, the Kindle 2 continued to operate normally; it just stopped indexing, and couldn't download new content. I deleted 250 or so titles and it resumed downloading periodical updates and began indexing again. I'm now at 1445 books.

It used to take about 15 seconds to index a new book when I first added them; now it takes 1-2 minutes.

rcuadro · 03-27-2009, 07:21 AM

That is a whole lot-o-books!!! I have just under 1/10th of that and I think I have a lot

sirbruce · 03-27-2009, 09:54 AM

Indexing still is taking up gobs of space. Down to 1300 titles.

That should be enough, though.

wallcraft · 03-27-2009, 10:17 AM

Based on your description, the index files must be taking up perhaps 100MB or more. In other words, about 10% of the total. Although I suppose it is possible that two copies of these files are needed while indexing.

One reason for Amazon to exclude removable storage from the K2 might be the overhead of indexing 8GB (say) of ebooks.

anotherchance · 03-27-2009, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by sirbruce

Indexing still is taking up gobs of space. Down to 1300 titles.

That should be enough, though.

I should think so. I can understand testing the limits of these devices, but beyond that, is there any real point to this exercise? I can read about 1.5 hours a day for pleasure if I'm lucky, and get through about 1 book per week on average. 1300 books will take me 25 years at that rate, and if you consider the life expectancy of the Kindle is what? 5 years? Less if you upgrade to the Kindle3 in a couple of years. Even reading a book a DAY would take 3.5 years, well within that upgrade window.

And if its now hampering the performance of the device, truly, what is the point? Inquiring minds etc...

sirbruce · 03-27-2009, 11:00 AM

The indexing was 200 MB on the first 800 or so books I had. The last 500 books seem to be taking another 200MB. I guess my first 800 books were smaller; they only took up about 500MB of space. The last 500 books are taking up almost twice that. So I guess the indexing scales with the size of the book; makes sense.

sirbruce · 03-27-2009, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by anotherchance

And if its now hampering the performance of the device, truly, what is the point? Inquiring minds etc...

It doesn't seem to be hampering performance other than to make searches slower. But the main point is you might as well use the memory you have, and have the searches match what you want. I agree, it's a lot of books, and I'm sure I'll be deleting hundreds of titles at a later date and adding hundreds more when I have new stuff I want to read. But there's no point in not using almost all the available space.

KlondikeGeoff · 03-27-2009, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by sirbruce

I loaded about 1700 books total onto it, and there was about 50MB free.

I've been reading Kindle forums for the 16 months I've had my K1, and this is the most astonishing post I have ever read. Good grief, 1700 books? What in the world did that cost you?

How many days (weeks, months?) did it take you to find, like and decide to get that many? Or did you just download the first 1700 books listed?

My flabber is gasted.

eousphoros · 03-27-2009, 05:07 PM

I ran into the same problem you did filling up the limited space on the kindle2. My solution was to get a toolchain built and get NFS working. Then I mounted my ebook library from the "cloud" (my nas) over nfs and now have over 4000 books available to me on my kindle. FTW! Maybe if i can get rid of this lazy streak I'll write up a post on how to do it. Though its really not that hard if you have some unix fundamentals.

sirbruce · 03-27-2009, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by KlondikeGeoff

I've been reading Kindle forums for the 16 months I've had my K1, and this is the most astonishing post I have ever read. Good grief, 1700 books? What in the world did that cost you?

How many days (weeks, months?) did it take you to find, like and decide to get that many? Or did you just download the first 1700 books listed?

About half are free and the other half are books I've bought over the past decade primarily in LIT and PDF format which I've had to convert. I was content to read my books on my computer until the Kindle came out.

It's not that hard; between the Baen CDs and the Baen Free Library there are over 200 SF&F titles available for free. A couple hundred from here, other giveaways, etc. It adds up!

Ervserver · 03-27-2009, 05:48 PM

doesn't take long to fill up a Kindle 2

daffy4u · 03-27-2009, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Ervserver

doesn't take long to fill up a Kindle 2

Doesn't take long to fill up any reader if you shove enough books into it (with or without an SD card). 1700 is a lot of books for most people.

S.Canton · 03-27-2009, 06:46 PM

Damn, that's a heck of a lot of books. I think the K3 needs either greater storage space, or the ability to use an SD card again.

eousphoros · 03-27-2009, 07:02 PM

Personally I think all they need to do is leverage some of their existing services like amazon s3. That way storage becomes irrelevant in context of the device itself. Also doing so would provide tolerance against things such as losing your device or storage itself becoming damaged somehow.

Failing that a nice plan b would be to provide a service that lets you essentially do what I already did out of the box. No real reason to have any storage on the device itself when it has 3g cell service which gives you coverage pretty much anywhere. Perhaps add wifi in the k3 to cover the areas where the cell coverage wont extend.

kevindorsey · 03-27-2009, 07:04 PM

Holy crap! 1700?

03-27-2009, 03:28 AM	#1
sirbruce Provocateur Posts: 1,859 Karma: 505847 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Columbus, OH Device: Kindle Touch, Kindle 2, Kindle DX, iPhone 3GS	Finally filled up my Kindle 2 I loaded about 1700 books total onto it, and there was about 50MB free. But overnight it went to 0MB indexing them all. However, the Kindle 2 continued to operate normally; it just stopped indexing, and couldn't download new content. I deleted 250 or so titles and it resumed downloading periodical updates and began indexing again. I'm now at 1445 books. It used to take about 15 seconds to index a new book when I first added them; now it takes 1-2 minutes.

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rcuadro Wizard Posts: 1,686 Karma: 874275 Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Virginia Beach, VA Device: Kindle DX	That is a whole lot-o-books!!! I have just under 1/10th of that and I think I have a lot

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sirbruce Provocateur Posts: 1,859 Karma: 505847 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Columbus, OH Device: Kindle Touch, Kindle 2, Kindle DX, iPhone 3GS	Indexing still is taking up gobs of space. Down to 1300 titles. That should be enough, though.

03-27-2009, 10:17 AM	#4
wallcraft reader Posts: 6,975 Karma: 5183568 Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mississippi, USA Device: Kindle 3, Kobo Glo HD	Based on your description, the index files must be taking up perhaps 100MB or more. In other words, about 10% of the total. Although I suppose it is possible that two copies of these files are needed while indexing. One reason for Amazon to exclude removable storage from the K2 might be the overhead of indexing 8GB (say) of ebooks.

03-27-2009, 11:00 AM	#6
sirbruce Provocateur Posts: 1,859 Karma: 505847 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Columbus, OH Device: Kindle Touch, Kindle 2, Kindle DX, iPhone 3GS	The indexing was 200 MB on the first 800 or so books I had. The last 500 books seem to be taking another 200MB. I guess my first 800 books were smaller; they only took up about 500MB of space. The last 500 books are taking up almost twice that. So I guess the indexing scales with the size of the book; makes sense.

03-27-2009, 05:07 PM	#9
eousphoros Junior Member Posts: 9 Karma: 10 Join Date: Mar 2009 Device: kindle2	I ran into the same problem you did filling up the limited space on the kindle2. My solution was to get a toolchain built and get NFS working. Then I mounted my ebook library from the "cloud" (my nas) over nfs and now have over 4000 books available to me on my kindle. FTW! Maybe if i can get rid of this lazy streak I'll write up a post on how to do it. Though its really not that hard if you have some unix fundamentals.

03-27-2009, 05:48 PM	#11
Ervserver Wizard Posts: 2,624 Karma: 1008294 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Iowa, USA Device: Nook Simple Touch	doesn't take long to fill up a Kindle 2

03-27-2009, 06:46 PM	#13
S.Canton Groupie Posts: 174 Karma: 12 Join Date: Jan 2009 Device: Kindle 2	Damn, that's a heck of a lot of books. I think the K3 needs either greater storage space, or the ability to use an SD card again.

03-27-2009, 07:02 PM	#14
eousphoros Junior Member Posts: 9 Karma: 10 Join Date: Mar 2009 Device: kindle2	Personally I think all they need to do is leverage some of their existing services like amazon s3. That way storage becomes irrelevant in context of the device itself. Also doing so would provide tolerance against things such as losing your device or storage itself becoming damaged somehow. Failing that a nice plan b would be to provide a service that lets you essentially do what I already did out of the box. No real reason to have any storage on the device itself when it has 3g cell service which gives you coverage pretty much anywhere. Perhaps add wifi in the k3 to cover the areas where the cell coverage wont extend.

03-27-2009, 07:04 PM	#15
kevindorsey Evangelist Posts: 488 Karma: 258 Join Date: Mar 2009 Device: kindle	Holy crap! 1700?