Footnote popups in PW2 not working for some books

topquark · 05-23-2016, 07:58 PM

The Kindle footnote popups work well for my other books on my PW2. However, there's this one book where it just wouldn't work. I've fooled around with various things using Calibre and Sigil but still couldn't get it to work. When I click the link, it takes me to the back of the page and I have to click the top of the page and then the back arrow to go back. Help please. Here are the codes I am currently using. (I've also tried converting the epub2 to epub3 using the Sigil plugin, but still no go.)

Anyway, this is how it appears on the AZW3:

body:
<a href="part0037.html#en3" id="enref3" type="noteref">3</a>

endnotes page:
<a href="part0004.html#enref3" id="en3">3</a>

What am I missing? I've tried adding and removing the "rearnote" and "noteref" but the popups still won't work. They work fine in Calibre, but not in the PW2.

topquark · 05-23-2016, 08:01 PM

Note: The AZW3 was converted from an epub2 that I converted to an epub3 using Sigil. Even prior to converting to epub3 using the original epub, it still wouldn't work.

topquark · 05-23-2016, 10:37 PM

I also tried "aside" and that didn't work either.

GrannyGrump · 05-24-2016, 06:03 AM

Not sure at all, and hopefully Kindle wizards will pop in. But I am sure that the "type" attribute is not "legal" in epub2, only in epub3. Might that have some bearing on the issue?

What happens if you use "class" instead, with your desired formatting designated in the css?

Doitsu · 05-24-2016, 07:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by topquark

What am I missing? I've tried adding and removing the "rearnote" and "noteref" but the popups still won't work.

rearnote and noteref can only be used in ePub3 books. For an (ePub2-compatible) example ePub3 book with 5 footnotes that'll all be displayed as popups when compiled with KindleGen, see this post.

Quote:

Originally Posted by topquark

They work fine in Calibre, but not in the PW2.

Calibre doesn't support ePub3 books and uses heuristics to detect footnotes.

topquark · 05-24-2016, 04:47 PM

Thanks! I'll check out that example. Hope it works.

topquark · 05-24-2016, 04:57 PM

from the link you gave: "@roger64: Many apps, for example Calibre, use heuristics to detect footnotes and display them in popup windows. I.e., you won't have to convert your ePub2 books to ePub3 books to get popup footnotes."

What about for Kindle?? Do I need to convert to epub3 first?

"when compiled with KindleGen"

So it won't work if I convert using Calibre? Anyway, I will go and try it out.

topquark · 05-24-2016, 06:47 PM

Just an update. I tried everything on your sample file, compiled/converted with KindleGen, and it still didn't work. Aaargh! Someone please help.

topquark · 05-24-2016, 06:50 PM

Another update: After I compiled via KindleGen, the samples provided by Doitsu didn't work, but my old code, i.e.

body:
<a href="part0037.html#en3" id="enref3" type="noteref">3</a>

endnotes page:
<a href="part0004.html#enref3" id="en3">3</a>

HAS STARTED WORKING!! Yahoo! Apparently, all I needed to do was compile via KindleGen. Somehow the Calibre AZW3 conversion was the problem.

topquark · 05-24-2016, 07:34 PM

Final update. Apparently, it wasn't Calibre that was the problem. While compiling via KindleGen, I found errors in the TOC and fixed that. THAT was the main problem. Now, the Calibre conversion is working fine as well. I suspect I actually didn't need all the noterefs and rearnotes. Just a simple two-way referencing would have sufficed.

topquark · 05-24-2016, 08:10 PM

Okay. Sorry for the confusion but I spoke too soon. Apparently, in the Calibre conversion, the popups work for some pages, but not all. The pages where the popups work do not have the following document type declaration in the header:

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.1//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml11/DTD/xhtml11.dtd">

Can someone please explain what this header means and why some pages have it and others do not? Could I delete it and would that change anything?

Going back to try and see if the KindleGen conversion would fare better.

topquark · 05-24-2016, 08:28 PM

I give up. That is also not the problem. Some pages that do have that declaration still do not have pop-ups.

yasteora · 05-31-2016, 01:52 PM

Hi, topquark:

Quote:

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.1//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml11/DTD/xhtml11.dtd">

The DOCTYPE declaration is for XHTML that if you wish to use anotherDTD.
And Sigil adds that automatically to every XHTML file if you make a epub2 by Sigil.

If you want to convert your epub2 to epub3, you must do not use the styles for epub3 like epub:type.

Quote:

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
<package version="2.0" unique-identifier="BookId" xmlns="http://www.idpf.org/2007/opf">

The declaration in OPF file that tell us that is epub2.0x.
I have change that to be:

Quote:

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
<package version="3.0" unique-identifier="BookId" xmlns="http://www.idpf.org/2007/opf">

But Sigil still not consider it as a epub3.0x file.
So I have to set Sigil :

Quote:

Edit - preferences -general setting

Change "Creat the new or empty epub as" option to "Version 3".
Than I copyed all my code to an empty epub, Because I do not know the convert plug at that time.

If you make a epub3 , the DOCTYPE declaration will change to"<!DOCTYPE html>". Because that is HTML5.

And some of the footnotes work good and some of them are not that I have sufferd that you can see my post. I think kindle ignores the epub:type="noteref" "footnote" "rearnote" and so on, So I still saved the them.

Sorry for my poor English.

05-23-2016, 07:58 PM	#1
topquark Connoisseur Posts: 58 Karma: 10 Join Date: Oct 2011 Device: K3, PW2	Footnote popups in PW2 not working for some books The Kindle footnote popups work well for my other books on my PW2. However, there's this one book where it just wouldn't work. I've fooled around with various things using Calibre and Sigil but still couldn't get it to work. When I click the link, it takes me to the back of the page and I have to click the top of the page and then the back arrow to go back. Help please. Here are the codes I am currently using. (I've also tried converting the epub2 to epub3 using the Sigil plugin, but still no go.) Anyway, this is how it appears on the AZW3: body: <span class="endnote-reference1"><a href="part0037.html#en3" id="enref3" type="noteref">3</a></span> endnotes page: <p class="endnote-text" type="rearnote"><a href="part0004.html#enref3" id="en3"><sup class="calibre70">3</sup></a> What am I missing? I've tried adding and removing the "rearnote" and "noteref" but the popups still won't work. They work fine in Calibre, but not in the PW2. Last edited by topquark; 05-24-2016 at 08:03 PM.

05-24-2016, 06:03 AM	#4
GrannyGrump Obsessively Dedicated... Posts: 3,200 Karma: 34977896 Join Date: May 2011 Location: JAPAN (US expatriate) Device: Sony PRS-T2, ADE on PC	Not sure at all, and hopefully Kindle wizards will pop in. But I am sure that the "type" attribute is not "legal" in epub2, only in epub3. Might that have some bearing on the issue? What happens if you use "class" instead, with your desired formatting designated in the css? Last edited by GrannyGrump; 05-24-2016 at 06:06 AM.

05-24-2016, 06:50 PM	#9
topquark Connoisseur Posts: 58 Karma: 10 Join Date: Oct 2011 Device: K3, PW2	Another update: After I compiled via KindleGen, the samples provided by Doitsu didn't work, but my old code, i.e. body: <span class="endnote-reference1"><a href="part0037.html#en3" id="enref3" type="noteref">3</a></span> endnotes page: <p class="endnote-text" type="rearnote"><a href="part0004.html#enref3" id="en3"><sup class="calibre70">3</sup></a> HAS STARTED WORKING!! Yahoo! Apparently, all I needed to do was compile via KindleGen. Somehow the Calibre AZW3 conversion was the problem.

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05-23-2016, 08:01 PM	#2
topquark Connoisseur Posts: 58 Karma: 10 Join Date: Oct 2011 Device: K3, PW2	Note: The AZW3 was converted from an epub2 that I converted to an epub3 using Sigil. Even prior to converting to epub3 using the original epub, it still wouldn't work.

05-23-2016, 10:37 PM	#3
topquark Connoisseur Posts: 58 Karma: 10 Join Date: Oct 2011 Device: K3, PW2	I also tried "aside" and that didn't work either.

05-24-2016, 04:47 PM	#6
topquark Connoisseur Posts: 58 Karma: 10 Join Date: Oct 2011 Device: K3, PW2	Thanks! I'll check out that example. Hope it works.

05-24-2016, 04:57 PM	#7
topquark Connoisseur Posts: 58 Karma: 10 Join Date: Oct 2011 Device: K3, PW2	from the link you gave: "@roger64: Many apps, for example Calibre, use heuristics to detect footnotes and display them in popup windows. I.e., you won't have to convert your ePub2 books to ePub3 books to get popup footnotes." What about for Kindle?? Do I need to convert to epub3 first? "when compiled with KindleGen" So it won't work if I convert using Calibre? Anyway, I will go and try it out.

05-24-2016, 06:47 PM	#8
topquark Connoisseur Posts: 58 Karma: 10 Join Date: Oct 2011 Device: K3, PW2	Just an update. I tried everything on your sample file, compiled/converted with KindleGen, and it still didn't work. Aaargh! Someone please help.

05-24-2016, 07:34 PM	#10
topquark Connoisseur Posts: 58 Karma: 10 Join Date: Oct 2011 Device: K3, PW2	Final update. Apparently, it wasn't Calibre that was the problem. While compiling via KindleGen, I found errors in the TOC and fixed that. THAT was the main problem. Now, the Calibre conversion is working fine as well. I suspect I actually didn't need all the noterefs and rearnotes. Just a simple two-way referencing would have sufficed.

05-24-2016, 08:10 PM	#11
topquark Connoisseur Posts: 58 Karma: 10 Join Date: Oct 2011 Device: K3, PW2	Okay. Sorry for the confusion but I spoke too soon. Apparently, in the Calibre conversion, the popups work for some pages, but not all. The pages where the popups work do not have the following document type declaration in the header: <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.1//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml11/DTD/xhtml11.dtd"> Can someone please explain what this header means and why some pages have it and others do not? Could I delete it and would that change anything? Going back to try and see if the KindleGen conversion would fare better.

05-24-2016, 08:28 PM	#12
topquark Connoisseur Posts: 58 Karma: 10 Join Date: Oct 2011 Device: K3, PW2	I give up. That is also not the problem. Some pages that do have that declaration still do not have pop-ups.

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