05-16-2013, 07:20 PM | #46 |
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I don't understand what you are saying here. It's been a long week, please elaborate for me. Are you saying the government did this because Amazon supported Obama? I thought Bezos was kind of apolitical and thought of as a libertarian.
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05-17-2013, 12:18 AM | #48 |
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And perhaps looking to find pennies in the couch cushions...we've all been there...perhaps soon we can ax Shell Oil, et. al. how it feels to be in the time-out corner with apPlE?
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(If you're really interested you can figure out which antitrust case was not argued on direct consumer harm and ended with the Judge concluding no harm was done but he convicted the defendant anyway.) |
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05-17-2013, 08:07 AM | #52 | |
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I own an Amazon device. We have a Prime account. I'm not against them, but they were well on their way to establishing a monopoly in this market. And because legal action wouldn't have been feasible until *after* the monopoly was established, Apple and others took this approach. It was a bad approach, but obviously the PR angle wasn't working. |
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05-17-2013, 09:40 AM | #54 |
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You make it sound as if they performed a service--a benign act of civil disobedience to stop a monster that the law couldn't/wouldn't touch. I can assure you their motives were not charitable in any way. They gambled on a legally unsound, and altogether selfish move to wrest back power that they voluntarily gave away through complacency in the first place. And if forcing the still undefeated king of ebooks to make even MORE money outselling circles around everyone else (not to mention subsidizing the college funds of their own legal department's children) was part of their goal.... then congrats! The gamble was certainly well worth it.
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05-17-2013, 12:14 PM | #55 |
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It was announced yesterday by Judge Cote's pre-trial statements that certain Amazon documents can be revealed. These include emails that show Amazon's efforts to establish an Agency system between themselves and the major publishers a few months before Apple's. Evidently, Apple's offer was better than Amazon's. This may explain why Amazon has been so aloof about the lawsuit until now where they agreed to un-redact certain evidence.
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Is "well, someone else may have thought about this before" a valid defense now? In related news, in the murder trial of John Smith, the defense has brought evidence that a childhood friend of Smith's once got angry at a waiter, and sent his steak back at a Outback Steak House. In spite of this revelation, the judge has said neither government of Australia, nor the steak will be the focus of the trial. Last edited by ApK; 05-17-2013 at 06:45 PM. Reason: Correcting a bit of accidental gender bias. I'll let y'all figure it out. |
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Amazon's Agency offer would have been price fixing also. Executives at the major publishers are saying that the agreements are essentially the same.
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Did you really just say; "Executives at the major publishers are saying that..." ?
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And even if, for the sake of discussion, we just take the word of the executives accused of coluding with Apple and assume that Amazon made the same offer ("You all throw in with us and set these same higher prices"), how would that be relevant? Does someone else's TRYING to do it reduce the wrongness of Apple's doing it? And, by the way, I know nothing about the alleged Amazon offer, but if it was as you suggest, wouldn't that posted email from Steve Jobs above have included another option? Like "Nah, don't take THEIR offer to fix prices higher, take OURS instead...it's better." On the contrary, that letter said that the alternative was to keep dealing with Amazon as they were. Last edited by ApK; 05-17-2013 at 01:12 PM. |
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