Which ebook reader for PDF

[susan_cassidy]

Most books that are available in ePub format are also available for Kindle (.mobi/.azw), so that shouldn't be an issue, if you are talking about books you might buy in future.

PDF is a different story. Converted documents are not the same as reading in native PDF.

[mlaiti00]

Sorry, I'm not agree with you.
I tested PDF on my KINDLE DX last generation. It doesn't work fine.
With format PDF :
1) We cannot use the contents table.
2) we cannot click on the paragraph or chapter to a content table, to be redirected directly on the target chapter or paragraph.
3) We cannot clin on any link to be redirected to another chapter
4) dictionary doesn't work
5) cursor doesn't work
6) text to speech doens't work

With PDF concerted to ".*azw" format :
1) It's very slow to move cursor from line to line
2) Very slow to turn page
3) No click work to be redirect to another paragraph or chapter
4) The text is very badly formated : the lines aren't aligned.
5) dictionary works.
6) text to speech works.
7) two slow to be used ...

Tested with KINDLE format :
1) Just EXCELLENT : EXCELLENT.
2) Maybe a little slow. But, it's not embarrassing


Many people come here to share their experience before bying it, so let me say objectively and sincerily what it is.
Thank for all.

[jocampo]

Originally Posted by mlaiti00

Sorry, I'm not agree with you.
I tested PDF on my KINDLE DX last generation. It doesn't work fine.
With format PDF :
1) We cannot use the contents table.
2) we cannot click on the paragraph or chapter to a content table, to be redirected directly on the target chapter or paragraph.
3) We cannot clin on any link to be redirected to another chapter
4) dictionary doesn't work
5) cursor doesn't work
6) text to speech doens't work

Many people come here to share their experience before bying it, so let me say objectively and sincerily what it is.
Thank for all.

I think there is a misunderstanding.

You are referring to firmware and Kindle DXG features. That does not mean that the format itself or layout is being improperly displayed.

It is well known that Kindle DXG does not support table of content, text to speech, dictionary, etc. I don't want to be rude, but you should check for those features before buying. Actually, is one of the reason why I use the Kindle DXG for my computer books and iPad for PDFs.

It would not be fair to say that something does not work when that feature is not being provided at all.

And like other people already mentioned, converting PDF to a different format will give you horrible results. It's because the format itself.

[ApK]

Originally Posted by jocampo

I think there is a misunderstanding.

I think it's a language barrier. He's listing why the DX doesn't meet his needs. I think.

[jocampo]

Originally Posted by ApK

I think it's a language barrier. He's listing why the DX doesn't meet his needs. I think.

That makes more sense.

And you are correct. Kindle DXG is not suitable for some users. But it's not that does not work; those features he mentioned are not provided out of the box. To me, not working is something broken, a feature that has been provided and stopped working at some point or it is not working as expected.

If my car can't make 0 to 60 in 6 seconds does not mean is broken, lol, means has not been designed for that, is not a sport car.

I should reiterate that iPad provides a better PDF experience than Kindle DXG: annotations, links, notes, faster, table of content, etc.

[mlaiti00]

Hello,
I never said that kindle dx doesn't work. A misunderstanding, because of my bad english.
I said that it's very EXCELLENT for kindle format, and very bad for PDF ( converted to ".azw" or not ), based on my tests. That's my opinion.

I cannot use Ipad. because of his stronge glare even with anti-glare, it's still bad for eyes .. I'm wondering why they don't invent a stronge anti-glare to make TFT screen like enk ...

Actually and for the next 6 months, I have many big PDF to read, and my eyes are a bit sensitive ... So, I'm searching ONLY for enk ebook reader, large screen, with usefull features ( dictionary, search word, annotations, ..etc).

after this discusion, I think I'm waiting for ONYX BOOX M90, hope it's not bugged ...

Thank for all answers.

[Onyx Europe]

Originally Posted by mlaiti00

Hello,
after this discusion, I think I'm waiting for ONYX BOOX M90, hope it's not bugged ...

Thank for all answers.

Hopefully it won't. I'll contact Onyx International if they can give me any pictures where we can see how it deals with all the formats (especially PDF).

[jocampo]

Originally Posted by mlaiti00

Hello,
I never said that kindle dx doesn't work. A misunderstanding, because of my bad english.
I said that it's very EXCELLENT for kindle format, and very bad for PDF ( converted to ".azw" or not ), based on my tests. That's my opinion.

Disagree. Kindle DXG lacks of some important PDF features that could make the reading experience a better one, but it's one of the best devices for PDFs. Granted, not all PDF documents are displayed properly, but it's not a common thing.

If you are looking for an eink device which can provide annotations and more PDF features, maybe you should take a look on Sony ereaders.

By the way, I can be wrong, but you can't convert to azw but mobi. azw its the proprietary Amazon's format.

[ApK]

Originally Posted by jocampo

By the way, I can be wrong, but you can't convert to azw but mobi. azw its the proprietary Amazon's format.

You are mistaken. AZW is Mobi (which, technically, is indeed Amazon's proprietary format.)
Perhaps you are thinking of AZW1, which is Topaz. Actually, that, too, can now be converted...sometimes...sort of.

[jocampo]

Originally Posted by ApK

You are mistaken. AZW is Mobi (which, technically, is indeed Amazon's proprietary format.)
Perhaps you are thinking of AZW1, which is Topaz. Actually, that, too, can now be converted...sometimes...sort of.

Hi Apk,

No. I mean, MOBI. AZW is not exactly MOBI format. AZW uses high compression plus DRM. They are different.

You cannot convert epub books to azw format via Calibre, at least, I have not seen that on my Calibre version. And makes sense, because azw is propietary and has DRM encryption (among others features) and it's the main reason why people convert to mobi instead.

You can clearly see that after converting any ebook; the book has "mobi" format at the end of the filename. Amazon for Kindle PC books have "azw" format.

[bZkindle]

I'm surprised nobody has suggested Duokan on DXG yet.
It surely won't fix many of the OP's issues with PDF on the DX (except for a dictionary), but it sure makes them much better.

mlaiti: the DXG is probably about as good as you're gonna get for PDF on a large screen e-ink device. perhaps you'd be better off with a tablet like an ipad or xoom?

[ApK]

Originally Posted by jocampo

Hi Apk,

No. I mean, MOBI. AZW is not exactly MOBI format. AZW uses high compression plus DRM. They are different.

You cannot convert epub books to azw format via Calibre, at least, I have not seen that on my version. And makes sense, because azw is propietary and has DRM encryption (among others features) and it's the main reason why people convert to mobi instead.

You can clearly see that after converting any ebook; the book has "mobi" format at the end of the filename. Amazon for Kindle PC books have "azw" format.

I had read the high compression is a mobi option as well.

Not all AZW files have DRM, and when they don't they are just mobi with a different ID code.

Either is proprietary and unpublished, and are only supportable in Calibre by virtue of reverse engineering, though yes, there is no output for AZW specifically.

More to the point, I had misread your post as saying "you can't convert azw to mobi."
Oops.

On the AZW/Mobi details, perhaps one of our MR brethren who have actually taken the bits apart can confirm or correct either of us if we are wrong.

ApK

[ApK]

Originally Posted by bZkindle

mlaiti: the DXG is probably about as good as you're gonna get for PDF on a large screen e-ink device. perhaps you'd be better off with a tablet like an ipad or xoom?

Impressed as I am with the PDF viewing on my little Sony, wouldn't the biggest Sony meet more of his PDF wants? Not to mention native epub support.....

ApK

[bZkindle]

Originally Posted by ApK

Impressed as I am with the PDF viewing on my little Sony, wouldn't the biggest Sony meet more of his PDF wants? Not to mention native epub support.....

ApK

Perhaps I'm mistaken, but the OP seems to be resorting to epubs simply because he hasn't been able to make PDF work for him the way he likes.
But yeah, if he doesn't mind the smaller screen then the sony would probably be the way to go.

[carpetmojo]

What is the dodgy bit about PDF ?

My PRS 650 seems to have no problems with PDF downloads, or have I missed something vitally important and techy ?